Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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The US is well known for issuing Human Right reports on various countries world wide... well, here's a report done on the US by... China! After reading it, I can say that it is very objective and on point.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-03/12...

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I find it more than a little strange that you take the propaganda of a dictatorship with a very poor human rights record seriously.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 14.03.10 o godzinie 11:31

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I was trying to find the information for whom they published the report. Was it accepted by the UN Human Rights Council or any other body?
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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warren whitmore:
I find it more than a little strange that you take the propaganda of a dictatorship with a very poor human rights record seriously.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 14.03.10 o godzinie 11:31


Being that I spent some time living in the states, I could tell you that this report is 100% accurate and based on information available through the US gov't sites. None of this is a secret to an average American, yet when I mention any of these violations here, to my students, they are usually in a state of shock.
On the other hand, I do agree with you, China is definitely not the right dictatorship to point out other countries shortcomings, yet if it was any other empire it would lose the fantastic grotesque factor.

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There are a lot of things wrong with capitalism, the United States and so on.

However, you as a Pole should know that the alternative was far worse.
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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warren whitmore:
There are a lot of things wrong with capitalism, the United States and so on.

However, you as a Pole should know that the alternative was far worse.

Of course, but when the line between the two is thiner than the paper that the Bill of Rights was written on...

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Rafal Wolk:
warren whitmore:
There are a lot of things wrong with capitalism, the United States and so on.

However, you as a Pole should know that the alternative was far worse.

Of course, but when the line between the two is thiner than the paper that the Bill of Rights was written on...

I don't, for one moment, believe that it is.
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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warren whitmore:
Rafal Wolk:
warren whitmore:
There are a lot of things wrong with capitalism, the United States and so on.

However, you as a Pole should know that the alternative was far worse.

Of course, but when the line between the two is thiner than the paper that the Bill of Rights was written on...

I don't, for one moment, believe that it is.

Most people don't. It's extremely hard for anyone to actually believe that what was written in that report is true, unfortunately it is.
Here's a page that you may want to familiarize yourself with for further information on this topic

http://www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-rights/page.do?id=1...

here's a great quote from the front page

"Policies of the US government have become increasing focused on tracking and persecuting individuals expressing their right to free expression, disregarding longstanding US and international law guaranteeing that right."

It might look like the US is the "leader of the free world" but in reality things are not as peachy as the propaganda machine would have you believe.

Here's yet another example of the UN itself criticizing the US Human Rights record

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0921-03.htm

and yet another quote taken from a US gov't site

"According to the US Census Bureau, 35.9 million people live below the poverty line in America, including 12.9 million children.

This is despite abundance of food resources. Almost 100 billion pounds of food is wasted in America each year. 700 million hungry human beings in different parts of the world would have gladly accepted this food.

Here are some statistics on the nature of poverty and the waste of food and money in America.

-In 2004, requests for emergency food assistance increased by an average of 14 percent during the year, according to a 27-city study by the United States Conference of Mayors.

-Also in this study, it was noted that on average, 20 percent of requests for emergency food assistance have gone unmet in 2004.

-According to the Bread for the World Institute 3.5 percent of U.S. households experience hunger. Some people in these households frequently skip meals or eat too little, sometimes going without food for a whole day. 9.6 million people, including 3 million children, live in these homes.

-America's Second Harvest (http://www.secondharvest.org/), the nation's largest network of food banks, reports that 23.3 million people turned to the agencies they serve in 2001, an increase of over 2 million since 1997. Forty percent were from working families.

33 million Americans continue to live in households that did not have an adequate supply of food. Nearly one-third of these households contain adults or children who went hungry at some point in 2000.

U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, March 2002, "Household Food Security in the United States, 2000"

There's not a drop of propaganda in the Chinese report... I do agree, that it's simply a way to take the unwanted attention of China for the time being, but in no way did they temper with hard, cold facts.
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58943C20090910

http://hungerreport.org/2009/chapters/us-poverty/62-cu...

"An estimated 1,382,012 violent crimes occurred nationwide in 2008, showing a decrease of 1.9 percent from the 2007 estimate."

source:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/offenses/violent_crime...

Then there's the War on Drugs... $650/second
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL0320469420080704

Racial Profiling
http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/racial-profiling

Civil Rights violation
http://www.amnestyusa.org/war-on-terror/civil-rights/p...

and we can go on and on... it's an everyday thing, nothing new for the average American. People get shot by the Police for no reason, harassed because of the color of their skin or their background... etc etc.. but I think...


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Rafal Wolk edytował(a) ten post dnia 16.03.10 o godzinie 15:19

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I can only express my surprise that someone whose parents emigrated from Poland during the time of PRL is interested in what the propaganda organs of a dictatorship have to say about human rights in the U.S..

Of course things are far from perfect in Western countries, but I can never remember it being so bad that Western Governments had to build a wall to prevent their citizens from escaping.

When masses of people are fleeing from rather than to the U.S. I'll start taking such reports seriously.
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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warren whitmore:
I can only express my surprise that someone whose parents emigrated from Poland during the time of PRL is interested in what the propaganda organs of a dictatorship have to say about human rights in the U.S..


Why are you surprised? Times are changing. Again, I wouldn't call it propaganda.


Of course things are far from perfect in Western countries, but I can never remember it being so bad that Western Governments had to build a wall to prevent their citizens from escaping.

Well, it's still your right to leave, but even that is becoming more and more difficult with each year. I remember being able to go to Canada with just a DL, you can't do that anymore. Any criminal violation might also alter your vacation plans - a friend of mine was arrested for public intoxication in 1982, he was not allowed to exit the country because of that in 2008.

When masses of people are fleeing from rather than to the U.S. I'll start taking such reports seriously.

Well, it's a two way street

"By some estimates 3 million citizens become expatriates a year, but most not for political reasons"

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/07/28/a-growi...

Now if 3 million Polish citizens would leave the country every year, in less than 14 years there would be nobody left.

Here's a bit about how it's not really that easy to become an American expat

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080240

http://www.paulstiles.org/Expatica%20article.pdf

and this is a good one too..

http://www.conference-board.org/articles/atb_article.c...

Interestingly enough, there are books written to help you along the way...

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Out-Leaving-America-Self...Rafal Wolk edytował(a) ten post dnia 16.03.10 o godzinie 22:31
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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American "brain drain"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-09-20-brain-d...

"Why Skilled Immigrants are leaving the US"
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2009...

"Barron’s article, written by Bob Adams, breaks down the Zogby/New Global Initiatives data as follows:
1.6 million (U.S. households) have already made the decision to leave
1.8 million are seriously considering and likely to leave
7.7 million are somewhat serious about leaving and may do so
3 million are seriously considering purchase of non-U.S. property
10 million are somewhat serious about purchase of non-U.S. property
Adding it all up, some 10% of all U.S. households are looking to leave the country, while another 11% are considering living outside the U.S. at least part time."

source:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB119041441207935747...Rafal Wolk edytował(a) ten post dnia 17.03.10 o godzinie 06:17
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People from Germany fleeing to the US for Asylum:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100302/us_time/09171196...

Europe's brain drain towards the US:

http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040119/brain/stor...

A lot of Germans emigrated and emigrate, especially to the US:

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/gr1900us.htm

http://ideas.repec.org/a/diw/diwwrp/wr4-2.html

Actually since 2006/2007 the numbers of emigrating Germans have been higher than after WW2.
The reasons are overwhelmingly work related, but also because of persecution, censorship and lack of political freedom.

Irony as it is: Ms. Merkel, coming from a dictatorship, fought it in the civil movement, is since being elected introducing a lot of restrictive laws some see as censoring and cutting down (personal) freedom(s).
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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Agreed, more than 60% of "Brain power" in the states is from the the old continent. The main issue that they come up against is the US immigration policy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE55M6FE20090623

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/04/reverse-brain...

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In most cases when human rights are violated here by law enforcement it happens adventitiously like any other monkey fight. It's just a crazy American in the street versus some mouth-breathing cop, but not an act of purposeful government repression. I trust the government to work like I trust my toaster to work. Most people here take their rights for granted to such an extent that they never learn them thouroughly because they will never need to know them. We have remedies when we do.

Then, we have some cowards in politics, etc. People are in jail who shouldn't be in jail, and they get put there for disgraceful reasons.Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 17.03.10 o godzinie 08:38

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That's a good start for a conversation - this article. Thanks, Rafal.
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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Joj Y.:
That's a good start for a conversation - this article. Thanks, Rafal.

:) np... it really made me wonder..

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Rafal Wolk:
Joj Y.:
That's a good start for a conversation - this article. Thanks, Rafal.

:) np... it really made me wonder..
Because you have a heart. You're right as rain. You are.

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Rafal Wolk:
You know where I think human rights violations happen every day here? The county jails. You sometimes hear about people dying there but noone really pays attention. I think sometimes it happens because people don't get their meds. I've seen it. When I read about someone dying in jail I remember when I was in jail, and people were telling guards they need a certain medication. They may have a seizure disorder or diabetes. They get a dumb look in return, and the guard will say they'll put it in to the nurse. Good luck. They really do get denied meds and I think it happens every day.Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 19.03.10 o godzinie 13:38
Rafał Wołk

Rafał Wołk I'm not arrogant,
you're just offended
by my confidence.

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Joj Y.:
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Hospitals too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJyyyRYbSk

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