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are you a:

a/ say no to drugs

or

b/ legalise them

type?
Ilter K.

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I am "say no" type.
It is already possible to get them, I don't know what would happen if they were legalized.

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ilter K.:
I am "say no" type.
It is already possible to get them, I don't know what would happen if they were legalized.
Drug smugglers would be put out of work.

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you mean all drugs?

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Andrzej Dobrucki:
you mean all drugs?
I would exclude aspirine.

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I would exclude aspirine.

We can definitely make the world a better place.
Make sure to exclude aspirine, coffe & tussipect.

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Leave it as it is as I think the current situation provides a balance. You can argue that drugs are evil, but so are many other substances; if there are people who want to use them, let them. Making them legal would mean more people wanting to try though, and I am not at all sure if that would be good.
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the net value of the cocaine sold in America is similar to the amount spent by the US government trying to keep it out the country.

Meanwhile people die daily in gang violence while rich corrupt men in south America get richer.

This makes no sense whatsoever, does it?

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Steve Jones:
the net value of the cocaine sold in America is similar to the amount spent by the US government trying to keep it out the country.

Meanwhile people die daily in gang violence while rich corrupt men in south America get richer.

This makes no sense whatsoever, does it?

Nope, unless someone actually delights on seeing gang members butchering each other. If you consider the number of villains smashed over dope stash, then it's not such a crazy thing to say, the drugs allow crime self-control better than any firearms.

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Some facts of the "War on drugs" yet another war which can not be won:

The U.S. federal government spent over $19 billion dollars in 2003 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $600 per second. The budget has since been increased by over a billion dollars.

Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy

State and local governments spent at least another 30 billion.

Source: National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University: "Shoveling Up: The Impact of Substance Abuse on State Budgets," January, 2001.


People Arrested for Drug Law Offenses this Year

Arrests for drug law violations in 2008 are expected to exceed the 1,889,810 arrests of 2006. Law enforcement made more arrests for drug law violations in 2006 (13.1 percent of the total number of arrests) than for any other offense.

Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 17 seconds.

Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation


People Arrested for Cannabis Law Offenses this Year

Police arrested an estimated 829,625 persons for cannabis violations in 2006, the highest annual total ever recorded in the United States, according to statistics compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Of those charged with cannabis violations, approximately 89 percent, 738,915 Americans were charged with possession only. An American is now arrested for violating cannabis laws every 38 seconds.

Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation


People Incarcerated for Drug Law Offenses this Year

Since December 31, 1995, the U.S. prison population has grown an average of 43,266 inmates per year. About 25 per cent are sentenced for drug law violations.

Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics


Preventable HIV Infections this Year

Nearly 4,000 new HIV infections can be prevented before the year 2009 if the federal ban on needle exchange funding is lifted this year.

About 10 new cases could be prevented every day.

Source: Center for AIDS Prevention Studies, University of California, San Francisco


Now let's look at the effectivness of this war:

By the government's own standards, are we winning the drug war?

No. Despite the exponential growth in spending on the drug war, illicit drugs are cheaper and purer than they were two decades ago,(8) and continue to be readily available. In addition, according to White House estimates, 57% of Americans in need of drug treatment do not receive it, in spite of its proven cost effectiveness in reducing drug use.(9)

Between 1981 and 1998, the price of heroin and cocaine dropped sharply while their levels of purity rose.(10)
According to a 1999 survey by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, drugs continue to be widely available to America's high school students. Almost 90% of twelfth graders participating in the survey said that marijuana was "very easy" or "fairly easy" to get, over 47% said cocaine was "very easy" or "fairly easy" to get and more than 32% said that heroin was "very easy" or "fairly easy" to get.(11)

Who really profits from drug prohibition?

Organized Crime. According to the United Nations, drug trafficking is a $400 billion per year industry, equaling 8% of the world's trade.(14) By empowering organized criminals with enormous profits, prohibition stimulates violence, corrupts governments at all levels, and erodes community order.

Arms manufacturers, the prison industry, and other special interest groups.

Anti-drug aid to other nations often comes in the form of military assistance. This year's National Drug Control Budget, for example, includes $452 million to provide Blackhawk helicopters to the Colombian military to fight coca cultivation.(15) Sikorsky Aircraft Corp., the exclusive manufacturer of the helicopters, lobbied heavily in favor of an escalation of aid to Colombia.(16)
With the overall prison population at roughly 2 million, nearly 500,000 of whom are drug law violators,(17) federal and state governments have been forced to build an ever increasing number of prisons to house what former drug czar Barry McCaffrey has called "America's internal gulag."(18)
Drug testing is a lucrative industry with a strong interest in perpetuating drug war hysteria. It is estimated that the United States spends $1 billion annually to drug test about 20 million of our workers,(19) in spite of research demonstrating the high cost and low effectiveness of this assault on American privacy.(20)

source:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/factsheets/economicc...

So yeah... legalize it and tax it, just like alcohol.

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Forbidden fruit is sweetest. I agree with Rafał: legalise them and tax as heavily as possible and the death penalty for those who offer drugs illegally.
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Legalize it!

Don't criticise it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXs_Z64ec0U

If people want to buy something, they will; where there's a will, there's a way. The only question is, how much will they have to pay? Who will profit? Will anyone be adversely affected? How many people will die, go to prison, be locked into an endless cycle of gang violence? How much longer will whole social groupings (for instance the favelas in Rio) be kept down with the only way out being gangs and the only real way out of that is in a coffin?

How long do we accept the status quo: the poor doing the dirty work of the rich? Money skimmed off on top by corrupt police and politicians. Billions of dollars down the toilet trying to stem the inevitable flow of a drug which just, in essence, fulfills the demand that has always existed to get out of one's head on a Saturday night.

As long as people want to do the white line, there will always be someone willing to feed that demand.

Maybe the question is: why do we want to get off our heads?
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>the death penalty for those who
offer drugs illegally.

Err, you are joking, aren't you....?

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Steve Jones:
>the death penalty for those who
offer drugs illegally.

Err, you are joking, aren't you....?

Yes, sadly, I am.
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Michał B.:
Steve Jones:
>the death penalty for those who
offer drugs illegally.

Err, you are joking, aren't you....?

Yes, sadly, I am.

Are you a fan of "forbidden fruit"?

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Steve Jones:
Michał B.:
Steve Jones:
>the death penalty for those who
offer drugs illegally.

Err, you are joking, aren't you....?

Yes, sadly, I am.

Are you a fan of "forbidden fruit"?
No, I am not and I have never even tried this forbidden fruit. Somehow I have never felt tempted to, as some of my friends say, have the experience. When I said 'sadly', I meant those who trade in drugs will never be punished - money rules this world!

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Why do we need to get out of our heads? This is a question that predates modern science or history. In the steppes of Mongolia, scientists discovered a traveler who’s been perfectly mummified for over 2800 years in his possession they discovered a hefty sack of weed. Egyptian Pharos were known for their use of cocaine and red mercury. In the jungles of south America tribes have been known for extracting various potions from fruit, nuts, roots and other plants that induced alter states. In Polish literature you can find references to “konopie” in quite few publications, the most famous would be Zagloba talking about “honey ale and cannabis”
I think what first started off as shamanism and was tightly knitted with otherworldly conversations and experiencing many different states of being, eventually led to development of certain subculture which is very much alive and kicking thousands of years later. A lot of it was a complete surprise and became a part of our civilizations by accident (ie. CIA secretly testing LSD on unsuspecting hookers, pimps, homeless and willing students – up until Timothy Leary who decided to share the secret with others).

There is a notion that crack cocaine was designed by the CIA, it is a rather popular idea, and quite frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.

Getting back to the point – why? Why not? I think that’s the more important question. Why not? Same reason it is not very popular to talk bad about personal beliefs. Years and years of vilifying this practice.
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Jarek A.:
ilter K.:
I am "say no" type.
It is already possible to get them, I don't know what would happen if they were legalized.
Drug smugglers would be put out of work.
And we'd have to find them new jobs.
hehe
Ilter K.

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- Please tell me about your experience as a drug dealer, and how can you help us in our organization...
- I can run really fast and threaten your boss if you want?
- Thank you. What shall I do to make you kill him/her?
- Not much. Twice more than usual.

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Steve Jones:
the net value of the cocaine sold in America is similar to the amount spent by the US government trying to keep it out the country.

Meanwhile people die daily in gang violence while rich corrupt men in south America get richer.

This makes no sense whatsoever, does it?

I would agree. What's more, the example of Holland shows that the consumption drops when legalised. The majority of clients that visit coffee-shops are foreigners, starved (!) and willing to get stoned as soon and as much as possible, 'coz the prices are lower and quality - better. Yes, I'm the yes to legalising soft drugs, no to hard ones.

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