Sylwia Łubkowska

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warren whitmore:
Sylwia Łubkowska:
If this is so abhorrent then why so many people are up for it (on both sides)? I I think these days there's so much of it around and changes in society have gone so far that quite a lot of them say 'what's the big deal?' and mean it. I don't insist this is particularly 'healthy' but it becomes more and more a part of life and so perhaps it's an indication that life in general has become less healthy.
Maybe one day we'll wake up to find that shame attached to the idea of sponsoring is a thing of the past, just like the shame of being a 'bastard' born out of wedlock or a 'spinster'. I hope not.

I'd say you've probably got things the wrong way round, Sylwia.

One of the first 'serious' books I ever read was 'the worm in the bud' a study of Victorian sexuality.

Prostitution was far more prevalent in the U.K. in the 19th century than it is today.

The permissive society in the late 20th century massively reduced the number of brothels and the likelihood of men paying for it.

You'll probably find far more prostitutes in repressive, theocratic Iran than in secular, liberal Sweden.

I know - just like with anything in life that people either have in excess or are deprived of. Plus, anything can become a 'norm' given enough social approval of the masses, like for example the men of ancient Greece / Rome who apparently preferred the companionship of young boys and didn't apologise for it. The only reason why I don't like the idea of sponsoring is because I was brought up this way and maybe things are changing now.

When it comes to the Iranian buses of debauchery, I'm not surprised either. I guess the reason why Islamic fundamentalists keep their regime the way they do is because it gives them a greater hard-on.
Sylwia Łubkowska

Sylwia Łubkowska Nauczyciel oraz
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warren whitmore:
Steve Jones:
For me, it's answer B.

I'd feel sick. Sick of the fact that as a father I've failed to provide other alternatives. Failure that I myself cannot provide enough security. Failure of the educational system that lead to no better source of income. Failure of the social system that didn't help her off the drugs. Failure of the legal system that didn't catch the bad guys. Failure of the society that it's all somehow acceptable. Failure to move beyond the caveman mentality of man provides/ woman accepts. Failure to see bigger values than greed. Failure that with all that failure the only recourse was to give in, submit to the power of cash, the rich man holding the aces.

If it wasn't my own wife or daughter, I wouldn't give a fuck.

Yeah, like plenty of men I've met who would say: whoa, what a hot chick, but I'm glad this isn't my sister!
Ilter K.

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The more you're able to limit the society, the easier you can control and manipulate people.

All this "ethical" talk about prostitution OR "sponsoring" in Poland is a bit useless.

The moral values of individuals will not permit this discussion to be truly an open one. Don't look for agreement.

But accepting the World as it is, and doing the best you can for yourself first, is the most rational solution.

If you want to understand why the World is just like this, all you need to study is history, public administration, psychology and sociology. That's all. hahehajj.

Questioning > good
Calling a man/woman paying for sex as a scum > pointless
Magdalena Natalia Wiśniowska

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Adam Lipiński:
Rafał, we should not dilute our genes. If we are the ultimate development, why risk spoiling it?

I know guys of 50 who still go clubbing and enjoy the company of ladies. And only the boring types harbour the fear of solitude.

As for marriage, even the DINKY model, I get tired of one woman too soon to consider that option.Adam Lipiński edytował(a) ten post dnia 23.09.08 o godzinie 23:53

"tired of one woman"
just admit you were not born to be monogamous rather than say you get tired of people..
So what, you don't have a friend you have known for ages now? Damn, that must be really hard never to be satisfied with other homo sapiens..
You know how I know someone is "right" (at least for some time)? It's when we can both do our things seperately but next to each other (and I don't think about brushing teeth or taking a nap) and we don't get disturbed just my the presence.

I understand you don't feel like needing someone like that, I know there are people who don't but getting tired of people is pretty unbelievable for me. I mean, sometimes I do get tired of others but not like EVERY man I meet...
For instance, I sometimes miss those whom I left behind, don't you?

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Magdalena Natalia Wiśniowska:
For instance, I sometimes miss those whom I left behind, don't you?
That would be weird. You have to move on.

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I've had friends, both male and female, for about twelve years. I don't mean mere acquaintances or colleagues, I mean those three or four individuals you can really count on. Different walks of life, the same blood in our veins.

As for exes who cannot proceed on friendly terms, or just people who have screwed up - I sever the ties without any regrets. I've never understood toxic attachments. The key is choice. There are more people inviting themselves INTO your life than you can actually handle, so look out for the added value they bring.

If I jettison somebody, how can I miss them later on? Esprit d'escalier? Being schizophrenic? Weird indeed.
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not necessarily weird rather not a good decision in a long run, which at the same time was the best I could make at that time in my believe.
Guess not enough experience in some fields may lead to regrets afterwards and I don't believe you never felt regrets but if you didn't - good for you.

And believe me or not I DID move on :-) just a tiny little bit of sadness I feel when thinking about the past..Magdalena Natalia Wiśniowska edytował(a) ten post dnia 24.09.08 o godzinie 21:45

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It's easy to separate the experience from the person. Of course, we're emotional creatures and can be sentimental about it, but it's far from feeling regret. Just like watching an old Shakin' Stevens video: you shed a tear but would not like to bring it back :)

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=7-to_Il1VP0

my fav vid from my childhood; a huge hit in Poland. Anyone remembers Wideoteka? :-DAdam Lipiński edytował(a) ten post dnia 24.09.08 o godzinie 21:50
Ilter K.

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I understand where Magda is coming from (or going to).

I also remember some people with pleasure. We had to get seperated but that doesn't mean we have been tired of each other.

Sometimes you can't bear some people and get seperated, sometimes you can get seperated althugh you're not tired.
It just comes down to passion, ideals, stupid thoughts and requirements.ilter K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 25.09.08 o godzinie 08:31

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Maybe just a little bit off topic but yesterday I saw an adv posted by a female student (she even attached a photo) looking for a room. She started the adv like this “na gwałt potrzebuje pokoju do wynajęcia ...” .

After this discussion all this kind of advertisements sounds very funny to me.
Magdalena Natalia Wiśniowska

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ilter K.:
I understand where Magda is coming from (or going to).

I also remember some people with pleasure. We had to get seperated but that doesn't mean we have been tired of each other.

Sometimes you can't bear some people and get seperated, sometimes you can get seperated althugh you're not tired.
It just comes down to passion, ideals, stupid thoughts and requirements.ilter K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 25.09.08 o godzinie 08:31

yup, yup, yup...
that's exactly the idea (guess I didn't know how to put it into words..).

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Look at this carefully... It was on the Dutch Television RTL-Z.
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq7CRnK_H4E

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Guy C.:
Look at this carefully... It was on the Dutch Television RTL-Z.
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq7CRnK_H4E

Thanks.

You have to pay close attention.

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