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Kasia M.

Kasia M. "Świat jest taki,
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Temat: Roman Polanski Arrested on 30 year old charges

ilter K.:
It'd flash like: "THE PROBLEM!" to me. Does that mean I'm paranoid?

"We trusted him" doesn't/wouldn't cut it for me.

I'd dispute this argument Ilter. Firstly, he was a public figure. Secondly, he had influence so the mother could have trusted him, couldn't she?Katarzyna M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 03.10.09 o godzinie 22:10
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Temat: Roman Polanski Arrested on 30 year old charges

Pudelek may be sometmes very useful. The've found a record of the hearing of Polański. There you have a part of it:


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There is a full version:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/092809...Katarzyna M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 04.10.09 o godzinie 08:33
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I'm so disgusted and disappointed with Polish "cinema elites" standing up for Polanski by denying the facts... Even if the girl could have been a vicious Lolita, tempting him deliberately or not, he was friggin' 40 years old and should have understood possible consequences of his deeds! Which he seemed to do, according to the hearing quoted by Kasia...
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Magda B.:
I'm so disgusted and disappointed with Polish "cinema elites" standing up for Polanski by denying the facts...

Well, he may end up in some Club Fed resort in the US and fellow inmates don't fancy child molesters in these.

BTW, It's been ages, Magda! (hug)
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Marcin B.:
BTW, It's been ages, Magda! (hug)

Haha, at first I thought you meant Polanski's case, LOL :)

(hug hug)
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Magda B.:
I'm so disgusted and disappointed with Polish "cinema elites" standing up for Polanski
And as in many cases, they objected against the form the police arrested him. The "form" issue always arises when the perpetrator`s motifs cannot be justified.
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Ula T.:
And as in many cases, they objected against the form the
police arrested him.

OK, you're right Ula, it was reasonable in some extent. The circumstances and the way Switzerland made a strange exception from its famous "neutrality policy" were controversial... Why aren't they that strict about war criminals, dictators and frauds having their bank accounts there?

Yet, I got sick having read what Krzysztof Zanussi and Dorota Stalińska had to say. They called Samantha a 'teenage prostitute' who was simply supposed to 'service' Polański and claimed there was no need to take legal action.
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Magda B.:
OK, you're right Ula, it was reasonable in some extent. The circumstances and the way Switzerland made a strange exception from its famous "neutrality policy" were controversial... Why aren't they that strict about war criminals, dictators and frauds having their bank accounts there?
That`s true. You can open and operate a bank account just giving a password.

Yet, I got sick having read what Krzysztof Zanussi and Dorota Stalińska had to say. They called Samantha a 'teenage prostitute' who was simply supposed to 'service' Polański and claimed there was no need to take legal action.
Another example of "róbta, co chceta".
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Magda B.:
Yet, I got sick having read what Krzysztof Zanussi and Dorota Stalińska had to say. They called Samantha a 'teenage prostitute' who was simply supposed to 'service' Polański and claimed there was no need to take legal action.

If that's the case, do they believe it reasonable for middle-aged men to use children for prostitution?
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warren whitmore:
If that's the case, do they believe it reasonable for
middle-aged men to use children for prostitution?

Apparently, they do...
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Kasia Budzińska:
I've read "Roman", Polanski's autobiography. Firstly, he says he was seduced and secondly the girl didn't appear underage at all. She could have done it on purpose to claim compensation.

"She was asking for it," is a common delusion of paedophiles and rapists, which they use to justify their actions.

I find it a little odd that any woman can show any sympathy for such a feeble excuse.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 04.10.09 o godzinie 14:09
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(ironic) Yeah, he is was succesful and he ... is a Jew, OMG, crucify him!
I still think that if the "victim" claims no need for further legal actions (as i found at wikipedia), there's no need for them.
What's the average age of sex initiation in US?
If one knows better than a "victim" if she/he was hurt, in my opinion the one tries to be holier than the holy God.
I think it's a great example of hypocrisy.
(ironic again )But well, he's a Jew, if u wanna - crucify him.
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I believe people here object to middle-aged men raping 13 year-old girls, and not to Polanski's fame and Jewish origins.

I regard your accusations of anti-semitism baseless and offensive, and as little more than the ranting of a complete and utter imbecile.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.10.09 o godzinie 08:17
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Kasia M.

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Paweł Gąsior:
I still think that if the "victim" claims no need for further legal actions (as i found at wikipedia), there's no need for them.
so, you're wrong, look at Steve's post regarding it.
What's the average age of sex initiation in US?
You ask is should be was. It was 30 years ago. Do you really believe in that 30 years ago the age of girl's sex initiation was 13?Katarzyna M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.10.09 o godzinie 09:10
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Katarzyna M.:
You ask is should be was. It was 30 years ago. Do you really believe in that 30 years ago the age of girl's sex initiation was 13?
Do you think, 30 years later, girls will 'initiate' sex at the age of 10?
I hope that's not the real point.

Paweł,
"average age of sex initiation in US" has nothing to do with this case.
That means, in a nutshell, for you:
Just because 13 year olds 'initiate sex' (that I really doubt), you don't go have sex with them.

THINK before you write.
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Sexual initiation age indeed has nothing to do with this case.

As well as the issue of consent. It doesn't matter if that girl wanted to make love with Mr Polański or even teased him. A man cannot behave like a brainless golem which reacts on every sexual stimulus.

But note that Mr Polański was detained because he is a fugitive who evads american jurisdiction for years. That was the official charge.
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It doesn't really matter who initiates sex here, does it? A grown up man can come across a 12,13,14 or 16 year old girl, who looks much older, and who may pursue, what she thinks is, 'nice' sex.
That's first of all her psychological condition, trying to find a father figure or galerianki-style a money-giver. The older partner should always be able to understand the needs of the younger.
Even if such a girl looks and behaves much older than she is, a responsible and grown up person will realize, that inside that tempting and firm shell, is a young and innocent mind. And this men will not want to taint that.

Even if the girl is 17,18 or 20, the situation might be similar, depending on the age difference between the partners and the mindset of both. The argument "She's 18, she's an adult" is as weak as "she approached me".

PS: Helmut Kohl is at the moment married to a 35years younger lady. I wonder what her motivation is to be married to an obese, 79years old, already slightly demented person?

One should not take his authority or social status or money or experience of manipulation (which grows with age) to harm young beings.
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Well, I wasn't deadly serious while I was writing that post, sorry. I'm not accusing anybody of anti-semitism, it just came to my mind after hearing statements that president Obama was criticized not due to his actions but becouse of he's Afroamerican.
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Paweł Gąsior:


bottom line - would you have sex with a 13 year old girl? No? Why not?
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Rafal Wolk:
Of course not. Why? Well, my wife would kill me, lol.
And seriously - becouse 13 yrs girls are obviously far beyond my scope.
But, well, still i think that the issue "if i did something" has nothing to do with this case as I have nothing to do with it. It's till what i'm saying - a private issue between a man and a woman and none should stir as SHE has no claims. Maybe it's harded to her that it was probably arranged by her mother (I cannot say it for sure of course, but i know there were such discussion). Maybe it's more painfull to her that the incident itself?

And as for hummanist, I think that the law should be a subject to the human, not the human subject of the law.
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