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Alicja Efejska:
Yes, they are if the Pollish people had been told or had learnt from someone that they shouldn't criticise the British. That's how we work here. Even if we see that the British colleagues make mistakes, we just leave it to them.

First of all, it was you that wanted some kind of 'frank' conversation.

Now that, as it were, the gloves have been taken off, you don't sound all that happy.

I don't know the kind of people you work with.

Perhaps they perceived any criticism made as being too direct, and would have accepted what was said to them if it had been expressed in a more appropriate manner.
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Alicja Efejska

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Warren, I love candid discussions because they make people understand things. My comment was very general and impersonal, it was nothing to do with you and the discussion. Speaking from my experience I would say that your responces in this discussion are really British.
Warren, I just wanted to put another observation for the thread and not to tease you.
Another thing that I find difficult to accept is that the British tend to show that they are jealous. If a colleague is more successful, they get angry again and become malicious.
So all in all,when we are at work, we know these things and we don't criticise the British and don't talk about our successes and we live in a perfect harmony. :)
BTW, I've known a lot British people both here and in England. My neighbour is an Englishman too. :)
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Alicja Efejska:
Warren, I love candid discussions because they make people understand things. My comment was very general and impersonal, it was nothing to do with you and the discussion. Speaking from my experience I would say that your responces in this discussion are really British.
Warren, I just wanted to put another observation for the thread and not to tease you.
Another thing that I find difficult to accept is that the British tend to show that they are jealous. If a colleague is more successful, they get angry again and become malicious.
So all in all,when we are at work, we know these things and we don't criticise the British and don't talk about our successes and we live in a perfect harmony. :)
BTW, I've known a lot British people both here and in England. My neighbour is an Englishman too. :)

Please tell me where you work, who you work with and so on.

I don't really accept what you are saying.

Have you ever worked in a wholly British environment?
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Alicja Efejska

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I've always been in 50% British and 50% foreign environments. I can see no reason why the British should behave differently in100% British environment. If they do, then I need to change my post and say the British hate being criticised by foreigners.
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Alicja Efejska:
I've always been in 50% British and 50% foreign environments. I can see no reason why the British should behave differently in100% British environment. If they do, then I need to change my post and say the British hate being criticised by foreigners.

I've worked in a number of Polish environments, and to be honest, found them awful beyond belief.

If you want to make accurate generalisations about 'the British' I would suggest you spent some time in a wholly British environment.

That would be the only way to lose various preconceptions you may have.
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warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
I've always been in 50% British and 50% foreign environments. I can see no reason why the British should behave differently in100% British environment. If they do, then I need to change my post and say the British hate being criticised by foreigners.

I've worked in a number of Polish environments, and to be honest, found them awful beyond belief.

If you want to make accurate generalisations about 'the British' I would suggest you spent some time in a wholly British environment.

That would be the only way to lose various preconceptions you may have.

I don't think I want to, unless I'm prepared to wear a mask.
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Alicja Efejska:
I don't think I want to, unless I'm prepared to wear a mask.

What exactly do you mean?

And btw, very many Polish people have chosen to do this.
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Alicja Efejska

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One good example is my neighbour. He told me that he moved to Poland because in England he had to act all the time. Here he can be just himself and still be accepted by people. Back in England he had hardly any friends wheras here he has lots. It makes a difference to him.
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warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
I don't think I want to, unless I'm prepared to wear a mask.

What exactly do you mean?

And btw, very many Polish people have chosen to do this.

Very many of them are coming back, very dissapointed.
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Alicja Efejska:
One good example is my neighbour. He told me that he moved to Poland because in England he had to act all the time. Here he can be just himself and still be accepted by people. Back in England he had hardly any friends wheras here he has lots. It makes a difference to him.

Do you always take everything people tell you at face value?
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A piece of truth:

I work in an all-Polish environment, with one or two Englishmen joining the team now and then. I say now and then, because they are ALWAYS (!) politely forced to leave us. Why? The reason is obvious to me - they are too professional. Polish oragnisation and consistency in making decisions and then the execution of these is unbearable. That's something we have inherited from the previous system. No denying that there might be some places where people have already learnt to work with some sense, but it's not the place where I work (to be changed soon)!Wendy Tweed edytował(a) ten post dnia 16.02.08 o godzinie 17:28
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Alicja Efejska:
warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
I don't think I want to, unless I'm prepared to wear a mask.

What exactly do you mean?

And btw, very many Polish people have chosen to do this.

Very many of them are coming back, very dissapointed.

Yes, I know.

Many of us don't speak the language of Shakespeare, and our public office clerks aren't aware of the meaning of the word 'euphemism'.

We believe foreigners eat swans and have yellow teeth.

Despite all these severe drawbacks, many, hundreds of thousands in fact, are staying.

Not many are going in the opposite direction, however.
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Alicja Efejska

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warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
One good example is my neighbour. He told me that he moved to Poland because in England he had to act all the time. Here he can be just himself and still be accepted by people. Back in England he had hardly any friends wheras here he has lots. It makes a difference to him.

Do you always take everything people tell you at face value?

Why do you think he was lying to me? BTW, his brother did the same thing for the same reason. They both seem to be happy here.:)
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Wendy Tweed:
A piece of truth:

I work in an all-Polish environment, with one or two Englishmen joining the team now and then. I say now and then, because they are ALWAYS (!) politely forced to leave us. Why? The reason is obvious to me - they are too professional. Polish oragnisation and consistency in making decisions and then the execution of these is unbearable. That's something we have inherited from the previous system. No denying that there might be some places where people have already learnt to work with some sense, but it's not the place where I work (to be changed soon)![edited]Wendy Tweed
Agreed.

I also found the rudeness and insensitivity of Polish bosses unbearable.
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Alicja Efejska:
warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
One good example is my neighbour. He told me that he moved to Poland because in England he had to act all the time. Here he can be just himself and still be accepted by people. Back in England he had hardly any friends wheras here he has lots. It makes a difference to him.

Do you always take everything people tell you at face value?

Why do you think he was lying to me? BTW, his brother did the same thing for the same reason. They both seem to be happy here.:)

Because people generally, (not here not now), tell others what they imagine they want to hear.

You are very naive if you believe otherwise.

You don't generally get to hear the private opinions of foreigners unless you happen to be foreign.
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Alicja Efejska

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warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
I don't think I want to, unless I'm prepared to wear a mask.

What exactly do you mean?

And btw, very many Polish people have chosen to do this.

Very many of them are coming back, very dissapointed.

Yes, I know.

Many of us don't speak the language of Shakespeare, and our public office clerks aren't aware of the meaning of the word 'euphemism'.

We believe foreigners eat swans and have yellow teeth.

Despite all these severe drawbacks, many, hundreds of thousands in fact, are staying.

Not many are going in the opposite direction, however.

I think these urban legends would be easily ignored. There are more serious things that are happening there. They are constantly offended or treated like scum. Just yesterday I heard about another way the British invented just to humilliate Poles. They give every Polish person they meet a flyer that reads in Polish: Don't pee on the grass!
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Are you sure this is a productive conversation, Alicja?

Should I close the thread?
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Alicja Efejska

Alicja Efejska Lektor, PEN

Temat: Polish attitudes to the British people

warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
warren whitmore:
Alicja Efejska:
One good example is my neighbour. He told me that he moved to Poland because in England he had to act all the time. Here he can be just himself and still be accepted by people. Back in England he had hardly any friends wheras here he has lots. It makes a difference to him.

Do you always take everything people tell you at face value?

Why do you think he was lying to me? BTW, his brother did the same thing for the same reason. They both seem to be happy here.:)

Because people generally, (not here not now), tell others what they imagine they want to hear.

You are very naive if you believe otherwise.

You don't generally get to hear the private opinions of foreigners unless you happen to be foreign.

Thanks Warren, we 've just come to this old conclusion: " Never trust an Englishman" BTW, why are you still here? Are you on some kind of mission?
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Alicja Efejska

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warren whitmore:
Are you sure this is a productive conversation, Alicja?

Should I close the thread?

Don't know if it is productive, for sure it is candid - as it always is with you.
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warren whitmore:

Because people generally, (not here not now), tell others what they imagine they want to hear.

You are very naive if you believe otherwise.

You don't generally get to hear the private opinions of foreigners unless you happen to be foreign.

you know, Warren, there's a saying in Polish: "każdy ocenia innych według siebie", you speak Polish so I don't think I have to translate it for you. I entirely agree with this saying.
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