Temat: Poland - Too racist for the Euro 2012
The man is a well-known journalist for quality newspapers and the bbc, and therefore not a 'tabloid' journalist.
I'm a well known cook in my kitchen. Sadly, I sometimes also spoil my food. Being established doesn't mean anything really, especially when you are biased to prove your point. The trick with journalism is to be objective. To try to find counter arguments even wehen there seem to be none. This is not a serious analysis. It's a tabloid-like "news bite". That's what I meant.
He isn't writing for 'the Sun' newspaper.
You don't have to write for a tabliod to be tabloid. I'm not saying the man is a lousy reporter because I don't know him. I'm just saying that the 'documentary' was biased and not to be taken for granted.
If you want to see a 'tabloid' style of journalism, watch 'Football Factories International' with Danny Dyer.
If you want to see reality go to 200 football matches, sit next to NORMAL people and enjoy the game.
Spokesmen for Legia Warszawa and PZPN were interviewed.
I wasn't interviewed. People like me weren't. And, trust me, there's more of "normal" (i.e. interested in pure sports competition) than you think.
The man did get his facts right. Apart from yelling 'tabloid journalism' nothing you have written counters his claims.
Give me 40k zł and a camera and I will venture out into the city and make a report about the English people being absolute xenophobes, assholes and racists. I promise it will include interwievs with native Englishmen.
The trick is to be objective. If I want to prove my point I will. That's how TV works. That's how you control public oppinion.
Whether this is true or not, this does not make Mihir Bose's report untrue.
You hit the nail with that. Because I think exactly the same about Mr Bose's report. The fact that he made it, and that he is a respected BBC man, doesn't make it true.
No, it does not exist to the same extent in Western European football as it does in Poland.
Good that you narrowed it down to football. I beg to differ. But both of us don't have enough evidence to support our claims. You have a TV report and some unfortunate story to tell, I have 24years of experience of living here. We'll both probably go to sleep without changing our minds.
Maybe it will disappear with time, and maybe not. For sure, it's unlikely to do so if its existence goes unrecognised.
Why shouldn't it? Your'e smart, because you had your fair share of ethnic variation a long time ago, upon the internal migrations within the commonwealth. We did not. Poland is a young country. We've just opened to the world. You had a lot of time to get accustomed to ethic diversification, we did not. Give us a chance.
The thing with recognising the problem is, that it has to "go away" by itself. You can't make a law and tell people to be tolerant. It takes time. It takes to see different people. To meet them. To talk to them.
Reports such as the one we're talking about only make it worse. How do you think a previously unbiased man (after watching the beforementioned report) will react to an act of racial intolerace? He will probably assume that the whole country is a "state of the southern USA".
The trick lies in positive language. It he BBC decided on telling everyone that Poland has made progress in rooting out bad behaviour on the stadiums each person that visited Poland during the event (and left without incident) would have told their friends in Europe that Poland is NOT as racist as they thought.
Why didn't they do that? Because negative language sells better. And that's another reason for me to call this tabloid. The last one is.. that people like you (who seem openminded) believe it.
And one more time, to be crystal clear. I DO NOT claim that Poland doesn't have a problem with ethnical diversity. But I DO say that pumping people with fear, claiming that every black guy that comes here will end up with a knife in his back etc IS biased and tabloid and should not be taken for granted.
Please try to understand that.
Robert M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 21.12.08 o godzinie 02:57
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