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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

I had thought that the Guardian had seen sense and stopped commissioning articles from this bird-brained nincompoop, but up she popped on my birthday.

Immigrants the perfect recession scapegoat:warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.01.09 o godzinie 21:51
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

One put down of the article:

The economic downturn is beginning to reveal underlying resentment of immigration. Poles were all very good when they worked hard (and were praised for their work ethic) and paid their taxes. But during the hard times, our situation gets really nasty.

The economic downturn reveals the underlying resentment against immigration and not 'of' immigration.

This article is pitiful for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Lojek-Magdziarz's objections seem to hinge on the usual strand of Polish snobbery that 'we' are not 'cheap labour'. The underlying assumption that but for our history 'we' would be better than 'you'

Some Poles who see themselves as very 'kulturalny' resent being seen as outsiders having been neuroticaly obseesed with being so Western and more intelligent than those English they routinely describe as lazy and 'glupie'.

My wife is Polish and works in a cash exchange bureau, so if you you want the whole gamut of Polish gossip about how ugly British women are and how Poles look down their noses at Britain then I can provide it.

It must be depressing to have studied Polish philology at Jagiellonin University for 5 years only to work in Coffee Republic but the Polish education system is crap and everybody cheats.

On a PKS bus coming back from Ustriki Dolne on the way to Krosno I heard students saying the only thing they have learnt at university is how to drink and how to cheat in exams.

The reason so many relatively educated Poles 'had' to come to Britain was because their education is useless but gives them a sense of being something.

Usually how to make vast generalisations and dogmatic assertions without needing to consider evidence to the contrary or develop debating skills or techniques.

The result is a culture in which people opine with grandiose statements and florid language what is, in fact, utter drivel and fail to engage or listen with what others are actually telling them.

This is hardly conducive to developing good business skills and the kind of mentality that will help Poland develop economically. Thus meaning mass migration wouldn't be so necessary.

Secondly, Poles were admitted because they are cheap labour and to drive wages down and save the government having to do such tedious and expensive things such as invest in training programmes and apprenticeships.

A common complaint, apart from how stupid British people are to have an economy strong enough to give them employment, is how useless and spoilt they are.

If the average Briton had heard what Poles were saying about them, they might be tempted to write an article making vast generalisations about them and playing the 'lets play taking offence' card.

But that might say more about the writer than the real nature of the problem.

Let's face it:if Poles don't like it in Britain they can go back and, as someone who lives in Poland, I think they should come back where they belong and build Poland.

Or stop the whining and snobbery because it is easy to do so as an outsider and the stereotypes you here from ex-pats are somehat tedious

( eg the Poles stare at you, the customer service is shit, the women are fickle or gold diggers, the men can't dress very well, she's too hot for him, all Poles are quarrelsome snobs who thinks they're always correct, they are Catholic bigots, fanatics, etc etc yawn...........warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.01.09 o godzinie 18:13
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

That is superb journalism... not ;)
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Andrzej Czopek:
That is superb journalism... not ;)

And another commentator on why this is piss-poor journalism:

A Polish friend of mine just called me and with a trembling voice told me what she overheard in a shop while trying on some clothes. A Brit was confiding in the shop assistant that he had lost his job. His wife, an equality manager in a big company, came back from her office the other day, clearly disturbed and shocked, and said that she was told by her boss that she would be sacked if she kept taking care of "those eastern Europeans". Her boss explicitly informed her that he did not give a damn about equality of opportunity if it concerned immigrants from eastern Europe and she had better understand that.

So you're relatiing the words of a friend of yours who overheard something that someone's else's wife was told by her boss. We have several words for this in English, Aleksandra .....

Hearsay.

Anecdotal.

Worthless.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.01.09 o godzinie 18:21
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

This article by pani Ola is also 'interesting'.

Apparently, many Polish women don't know the facts of life:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/17/ab...

Words of wisdom from pani Ola:

That said, it is essential to stress that the reason 10,000 Polish women travelled to the UK to terminate their pregnancies last year is not simply because abortion is effectively illegal in Poland (it is not allowed except on medical grounds, where there is a risk to life, and where pregnancy results from sexual violence). The fact is, Poles receive very little sex education. Many young women in the country indulge in the belief that they will not get pregnant if they do not want to.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.01.09 o godzinie 18:28
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

warren whitmore:
This article by pani Ola is also 'interesting'.

Apparently, many Polish women don't know the facts of life:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/17/ab...

Words of wisdom from pani Ola:

That said, it is essential to stress that the reason 10,000 Polish women travelled to the UK to terminate their pregnancies last year is not simply because abortion is effectively illegal in Poland (it is not allowed except on medical grounds, where there is a risk to life, and where pregnancy results from sexual violence). The fact is, Poles receive very little sex education. Many young women in the country indulge in the belief that they will not get pregnant if they do not want to.

I am speechless...
Or should I rather go 'horror! horror!'...Natalia Bartkowska edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.01.09 o godzinie 18:40
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

warren whitmore:
Many young women in the country indulge in the belief that they will not get pregnant if they do not want to.
Has she ever given the source of this piece of information?

Where is she from?

I don`t know much about the beliefs of "many young women in the country" but I daresay there are no such stupid people anywhere in the world.

I don`t think her ideas are worth following.
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

but up
she popped on my birthday.
ROFTL You are SO f'ing funny. On you're birthday? hahaha

P.S. You already know how I feel about her. :)Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 27.01.09 o godzinie 00:57
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Violetta P.:
Many young women in the country indulge in the belief that they will not get pregnant if they do not want to.
Has she ever given the source of this piece of information?
I believe the question at hand is "Has she ever gotten laid"?
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Marta Głowacka

Marta Głowacka Coach

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

OMG...

'However, [in Poland] salaries in certain professions have also risen (the best-paid professions at the moment are construction and law), so short-term migrants who can now get jobs in Poland will consider going home. Some already have.'

'Seeing people smiling on London streets is still a major puzzle – I always wake in the mood to moan about something, and am cheered by people who pass me by and beam. Of course, maybe they are just laughing at me, but this is difficult to tell in any culture, so I take it as a sign of their innate optimism.'

' Of course, the worst thing for anyone's health is sausage and mash – the worst invention in the world. Britons have managed to become immune to the taste, and I often observe people ordering it. But then again, I was lucky enough to be born in a country where sausage is a national passion, so I can easily avoid eating British sausage by, if confronted with the dish, eating only the mash. I have even started to enjoy my tendency to get bashed for saying exactly what is on my mind. It is great food for thought, if served sensibly. Poles who have learned to appreciate it will stay and prosper.'

By the almighty Aleksandra. Lord have mercy.

EDIT: Where's that typo? Oh yeah, here it is :-).Marta Głowacka edytował(a) ten post dnia 27.01.09 o godzinie 09:17
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

I think it was Bridget Jones who "said" she had to stop smiling at people in London when a guy masturbated on her coat. To me, Bridget is less fictional than Aleksandra, really.
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Andrzej S.

Andrzej S. Krok za krokiem, do
przodu.

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Why does that so seem to be written on purpose? :)
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Marta Głowacka

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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Cause it is. With the purpose to make us rotfl :D
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Andrzej S.

Andrzej S. Krok za krokiem, do
przodu.

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

It makes me laugh and sad at one time :P

Is it provocation or trolling in a news magazine? :D

Nevermind... anyway :))
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Marta Głowacka:
OMG...

'However, [in Poland] salaries in certain professions have also risen (the best-paid professions at the moment are construction and law), so short-term migrants who can now get jobs in Poland will consider going home. Some already have.'

'Seeing people smiling on London streets is still a major puzzle – I always wake in the mood to moan about something, and am cheered by people who pass me by and beam. Of course, maybe they are just laughing at me, but this is difficult to tell in any culture, so I take it as a sign of their innate optimism.'

' Of course, the worst thing for anyone's health is sausage and mash – the worst invention in the world. Britons have managed to become immune to the taste, and I often observe people ordering it. But then again, I was lucky enough to be born in a country where sausage is a national passion, so I can easily avoid eating British sausage by, if confronted with the dish, eating only the mash. I have even started to enjoy my tendency to get bashed for saying exactly what is on my mind. It is great food for thought, if served sensibly. Poles who have learned to appreciate it will stay and prosper.'

By the almighty Aleksandra. Lord have mercy.

EDIT: Where's that typo? Oh yeah, here it is :-).

Do you have a link for this?
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Marta Głowacka

Marta Głowacka Coach

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Sure thing :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/01/po...

And the list of all (I hope :P) her articles:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/aleksandralojekmagdz...

Enjoy!
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Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

Marta Głowacka:
I have even started to enjoy my tendency to get bashed for saying exactly what is on my mind. It is great food for thought, if served sensibly. Poles who have learned to appreciate it will stay and prosper.'

Well, she certainly got 'bashed' by myself, enough for her to flee GL, but I wasn't aware of her 'appreciating' this.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 27.01.09 o godzinie 11:27
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Maciej J.

Maciej J. Konsultant

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

lol - what the hell is this utter rubbish?!?
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Marta Głowacka

Marta Głowacka Coach

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

She was on GL? No shit :D

One might think that after all those comments she's gives up all contact with other humans (apart from her sources of valuable information, that is :-)).

Well done, Warren!
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Andrzej S.

Andrzej S. Krok za krokiem, do
przodu.

Temat: Pani Ola strikes again:

well NOW I had a terrible laugh.

:D
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