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Steven H.:

The new variation is "I am a soldier in Iraq and came across Saddam's treasures, I am also able to get all of it out of the country unnoticed,

He must have borrowed Tatiana's largest suitcast from her 'set of 6'

hehe... probably.

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Lidia K. +

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Well... It's something I've just received now:

De Nederlands Staatsloterij.
Promotional/Sweepstakes Office
Postbus 3334, 5902 RH Venlo
Den Haag, the Netherlands.

Dear Sir/Madam,
Following unsuccessful attempt to reach you by post, the management has
decided we reach you via your email address. This is to officially inform
you that your email address attached to an E-Ticket No: 011-9085555(03-26)
has won Nine Hundred and Twenty Five Thousand Euros only (€925,000) in the
2nd category of the Nederland’s Staatsloterij Promotional Sweepstakes
conducted May 31, 2008 and the result were release today June 9, 2008.
This is a free promotional program sponsored by consortiums of software
companies, which means Lottery tickets were not sold.

For claims and further information, contact our Account/Funds Release
Department on the details below:
Miller Green (Dr.)

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Dear Sir/Madam,
Following unsuccessful attempt to reach you by post, the management has
decided we reach you via your email address. This is to officially inform
you that your email address attached to an E-Ticket No: 011-9085555(03-26)
has won Nine Hundred and Twenty Five Thousand Euros only (€925,000) in the
2nd category of the Nederland’s Staatsloterij Promotional Sweepstakes
conducted May 31, 2008 and the result were release today June 9, 2008.
This is a free promotional program sponsored by consortiums of software
companies, which means Lottery tickets were not sold.

For claims and further information, contact our Account/Funds Release
Department on the details below:
Miller Green (Dr.)

So, what are you going to do with the money? New car? Apartment? Luxury holiday?
Don't forget your friends on Anglosphere!

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Lidia K. +

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Yes, I was thinking about throwing a (virtual) party!
Everyone invited. No BYOBs!

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No exactly a scam, but here goes...

Today I had a phone call from the assistant of a financial advisor wanting to meet me.
They look for names of ex-pats on the internet then assume that the ex-pats are rich (as people on GL frequently do to) and assume that they need advice on where to place their money, how to invest, etc.

So, first of all I say to the lady that I'm 100% not resident in the UK so I don't need advice on the tax planning in the UK.
No problem but you may still need pension advice
I then say that I have a tiny salary anyway
Again no problem (she thinks I'm being modest)
I then say that I'm leaving my job in 2 weeks and so might not have a salary soon.
Again she insists on making an appointment.
So, I agreed, knowing that I wouldn't sign anything nor spend any money. I'd simply waste the guy's time by making him come to my workplace at 18.00

However, I then realise that I'll be waisting MY time by staying at the office until 18.00.
So, I'll ring back tomorrow to cancel and see whether it takes (a) me to repeat myself 5 times, or (b) me telling the lady to fuck off and leave me alone, for her to finally to agree to cancel the appointment.

I say it isn't a scam, but in the end you pay these people management fees and then they invest your money in someting that might lose value or at least not beat the market. i.e. you pay for mediocrity.
In my opinion you are better doing your own homework (including speaking to the tax authorities yourself) rather than filling the pockets of these generally uneducated spivs who only know how to earn commisssion.

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Lidia K. +

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heheheh, Steven, perhaps you do need some advice?

As a sworn translator I'm a target of these people, too (similar affluence assumptions hehe). Now I'm immune to their phone calls but some time before I nearly went to such a meeting myself!

For the last year I have had a very SEXY male voice calling me from the Deutschebank every month or so to offer me some amazingly cool bank loans for translators for mere 10 per cent p.a. It's a genuine pleasure to play this game with Kamil or whatever he's called. My imagination goes wild.

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When I get calls like these (I don't know how they get through to me), from a male or female, I lower my voice as low as i can and breath through my mouth a little...quaver.

"What are you wearing right now?"

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Lidia K. +

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Joj Y.:
I lower my voice as low as i can and breath through my mouth a little...quaver.

"What are you wearing right now?"

:)))
and what if they start telling?

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My eyes get as big as golf balls and I hang up!

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Keith Byrne Director, Select
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Tatiana S.:

Lidia K.:
Sorry, I simply cannot believe it, can you trust ANYBODY in the Internet?

No. I tell ya, Keith looks nothing like himself in his GL photo. I'm still shivering.

Come on, Tatiana, if you'd known about the extra mouth would you have agreed to meet me?

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Keith Byrne:

Tatiana S.:

Lidia K.:
Sorry, I simply cannot believe it, can you trust ANYBODY in the Internet?

No. I tell ya, Keith looks nothing like himself in his GL photo. I'm still shivering.

Come on, Tatiana, if you'd known about the extra mouth would you have agreed to meet me?

Alone, not. Luckily, there were two of us, one for each mouth.

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This is interesting one, pay attention to all components of trust building.
Excellent example of psychology applied to simple scam.

Financial Expert/Oakhill House,
130 Tonbridge Road,Hildenborough,
Tonbridge, Kent TN11 9DZ,
United Kingdom.

I am contacting you in good faith and this proposal
will be of mutual benefit for us.I have a business
proposal in the tune of £230,000.000.00-[Two Hundred &
Thirty Million British Pounds Sterling} to be
transferred to any safe account with your assistance.
I have every possibility & advantages for the proceeds
of this account to be paid to you and then both of us
can share the money, 55% to me and 45% to you. Can I
trust you on this?
I guarantee that this will be executed under a
concrete special arrangement that will protect you
from any breach of law. I will not fail to bring to
your notice that this transaction is hitch-free and
you should not entertain any fears as the required
arrangements have been made for the completion of this
transfer.

This money was secretly placed/deposited for an
Investment before the late holder died and none of his
families or relatives knows about this money, so it's
discovered during an annual audition. If you can be
trusted and capable to handle this business with me in
full confidence & trust, please quickly contact me at
:<albert_charles033uk@inMail24.com> and send me the
following information for documentation purpose:

(1). Full names:
(2). Private phone numbers:
(3). Current residential address:
(4). Occupation:
(5). Age and Sex:
{6}.Your Full Banking Coordinates.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards.
Mr. charles Albert

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Stan Kulski:

Jon M.:
If I was stuck in small-town West Africa, I'd be tempted too. But these are a pest and show sophisticated internet skills. Since they can't be stopped, the best solution is education and information, so even the most naive know to ignore them.

They are illegal under the Nigerian Criminal Code, but tracking down the perpetrators would be impossible.

A worse problem are the 'Boiler Room' investment companies, not generally connected to Africa.

Wrong!
It is easy to assigned 2- 10 agents to fight this crime and arrange for a meeting with authors and put them in prisons. And message would spread around.

However government officials support this industry, as they profit from scammed persons.

Who knows the word used by Negros to describe trustful Whites?

I know only rule No1 of International trade - never do deals with Nigerians.

First of all, the Nigerian letter, as you probably already know, is a variant of the Spanish Prisoner, of European origins.

Secondly, I can't imagine anyone daft enough to fall for it

Thirdly, cut the crap about the black man and the white man. The last time I bust balls at the local urzad, I was as white as the next guy. The problem lay not so much on my skin pigment, but on the idiocy of the system created by the white man for the displeasure of the white man.

Fourthly, how about the Polski List 22, the one where there's a public tender and you pay someone a litttle under the table to get the contract.

And, finally, you should never do business with Nigerians? And I suppose you shouldn't with Poles, either due to the endemic corruption here....

All in all, have fun:)

Hit me, Stan!Steve Jones edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.07.08 o godzinie 04:25

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First of all, the Nigerian letter, as you probably already know, is a variant of the Spanish Prisoner, of European origins.

Secondly, I can't imagine anyone daft enough to fall for it

Thirdly, cut the crap about the black man and the white man. The last time I bust balls at the local urzad, I was as white as the next guy. The problem lay not so much on my skin pigment, but on the idiocy of the system created by the white man for the displeasure of the white man.

Fourthly, how about the Polski List 22, the one where there's a public tender and you pay someone a litttle under the table to get the contract.

And, finally, you should never do business with Nigerians? And I suppose you shouldn't with Poles, either due to the endemic corruption here....

All in all, have fun:)

Hit me, Stan

Hehehe, to hit you?
Too easy mate, as always when facts meet only expression of Political Correctness.

Before I will reply, I will ask you important question:

Did you notice, Steve, that you've placed yourself in the group, I have critisised for development of crime in Africa?
The same group, which focus not on solutions but on justification of crime - be it colonial heritage, or comparison to European crime?

(Poles will better understand it recalling communist times, when for the offer of help from the uSA, mr Urban answered that PRL will help homeless American by sending blankets from Poland)

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First of all, the Nigerian letter, as you probably already know, is a variant of the Spanish Prisoner, of European origins.

The 419 scam originated in the early 1980s as the oil-based Nigerian economy declined. Several unemployed university students first used this scam as a means of manipulating business visitors interested in shady deals in the Nigerian oil sector before targeting businessmen in the west, and later the wider population. Scammers in the early-to-mid 1990s targeted companies, sending scam messages via letter, fax, or Telex. (Nowdays I receive phone calls from satellite phones). The spread of email and easy access to email-harvesting software made the cost of sending scam letters through the Internet inexpensive. In the 2000s, the 419 scam has spurred imitations from other locations in Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe.

Secondly, I can't imagine anyone daft enough to fall for it

Insa Nolte, a lecturer of University of Birmingham's African Studies Department, stated that "The availability of e-mail helped to transform a local form of fraud into one of Nigeria's most important export industries." Nigeria's anticorruption commission has seized more than $200m from conmen in the space of eight months. These scams are moving out from their home in Nigeria. The whole of Western and Southern Africa now appears to be involved, as well as China. Edward Venning, a spokesman for NCIS, says this is because Nigeria has used up its "trust capital" - meaning it has become so synonymous with fraud that people of now suspicious of any email or offer originating from Nigeria. In response to this the scammers are choosing other countries to operate from.
Canadian sources estimate bilions of dollars industry!.

Thirdly, cut the crap about the black man and the white man. The last time I bust balls at the local urzad, I was as white as the next guy. The problem lay not so much on my skin pigment, but on the idiocy of the system created by the white man for the displeasure of the white man.

Generally, these scams originated from West Africa, but South Africa and Spain have both recently begun to feature.
Why aren't the police doing something to stop this scam?
The scam is extremely widespread and the criminals are operating within the jurisdiction of the African countries. There is Spain with large number of refugess (frequent police actions in Internet cafe) and GB. UK law enforcement agencies are represented by the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) last year helped secure the arrest and subsequent conviction of 36 individuals involved in 419 scams - 24 in Africa and 12 in the UK.

All in all, have fun:)

Hit me, Stan!

Let me add, that I've alerted for a practical reason, though many readers believe it doesn't concern them as they are too smart.
(Hhheheheehehehehee, just look at more sophisticated forms of scam on EXPPORT-IMPORT marketing ...). (Let me add, that you, Steve, - with your confidence, that you are smarter than milions of victims - are particularly prone to fall victim for some variations of Nigerian Scam)

Nigerian scam attracted attention of all scam - minded people around the world, with easy access to the Internet. Whereas 419 victims may not be internationally well-educated when it comes to the law, the 419 swindlers are.

The Nigerian Letter swindler operates in a gang or ring, and attends "scam school" to learn the tricks of his trade. Here stories are swapped, names and addresses are exchanged, methods are reviewed, letter formats are passed around, and ways to outwit the authorities come under intense discussion.

A single Nigerian Scam ring may have 30 - 40 members, not all of whom are Nigerian, or maybe none of whom are Nigerian. The scam is known for its copycats with spread of information via Internet. I have some regulars from China, sometimes from Russia - extremaly well prepared.

The most daunting aspect for law enforcement is not the sheer volume of victims and swindlers, but the number of law enforcement jurisdictions involved. A single gang will operate out of more than one country; from countries where enforcement is lax as well as from countries in Europe and Asia. They can be found in London and Toronto, Amsterdam and New York . Letters are arriving from the Philippines, Malaysia, and Hong Kong.

Gang members stay on the move. They use phony names, passports, addresses, and never keep a phone number for very long. They pass the victim from member to member, representing this one as an attorney, that one as a banker, and so forth. They have learned to make themselves as elusive as mist.

This leaves law enforcement with the almost impossible task of coordinating across language barriers and local laws. But somehow they manage. 419'ers are not all getting away. As the crime gains in popularity, international law enforcement is focusing its attention on the criminals.Stan Kulski edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.07.08 o godzinie 10:06

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If a Nigerian scam school has no Nigerian members, do they have to be black? And do their victims have to be white?

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Keith Byrne:
If a Nigerian scam school has no Nigerian members, do they have to be black? And do their victims have to be white?

Good point, Keith.

Also thought it was interesting that no one took me up on the blatent racism in Stan's posting. Are we supposed to tolerate this?

I won't.

Also interesting that no one wanted to take me up on a white Polish parallel: the idiotic backhander system that 'doesn't exist' apparently. It's just an uncle/ cousin family affair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pWbwWOhGg

and my prediction is that if Stan makes a response, it will be in the pseudo-intellectual style.

Let's see if I'm right!Steve Jones edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.07.08 o godzinie 00:44

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Keith Byrne Director, Select
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Christ, I hate that kind of crap!

"You are clearly ignorant of the true facts, which can not be proven anywhere, but I know are true, and you are just saying what everybody is led to believe!" etc.

FOAD, conspiracy theorists!

BTW, Re: scams, if it's such a clever scam, is Stan ready to admit that The Black Man(TM) is inherently smarter than The White Man (TM)?

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