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The Swiss have just voted on allowing heroin to be prescribed to addicts.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm
What do others think about legalising 'soft' and 'hard' drugs?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm
What do others think about legalising 'soft' and 'hard' drugs?
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I'm pretty sure we covered this topic already; I might have been high however.I'm all for it, it would reduce crime and create profit that could in turn be used for rehabilitation.
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Working therapy would preent some people from using sucha crap. I really think that it comes because of no values or people are bored or unemployement. Werll... we will see if it will have any positive sides
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I'm unemployed and quite bored. I expect I'll be on heroin soon, Oleg. And then I'll have to move to Switzerland. I think I'll get sick of gnocchi quite quickly. And cows with bells. And the cheese is a rip-off. Full of holes.
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Dave Andrew:
I'm unemployed and quite bored. I expect I'll be on heroin soon, Oleg. And then I'll have to move to Switzerland. I think I'll get sick of gnocchi quite quickly. And cows with bells. And the cheese is a rip-off. Full of holes.
welcome to Switzerland :)))
actually all in all drugs are the problem of society :P
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Oleg Kholyuchenko:
actually all in all drugs are the problem of society :P
nah... I think ignorance and greed are the real problems, drugs are just a scape goat and a diversion.
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Pff, most of the stuff seemed to be legal before the last war anyways. No big problems conveyed ;-)Anywho, I'd dare say it's hypocritical. Drink away on wodka, and all those taxed drugs, beat your wife and loose your job. That's great, even with the after-costs for the medical system. But if you dare to smoke a joint or chew on some mushrooms we throw you in the can and when you come out, you'll want to mainline heroin into your eyeball!
Statistically in Germany, where soft and hard drugs are forbidden, the amount of people using drugs is the same or slightly more than in The Netherlands. So why incriminating everybody? Tax the stuff and let the party begin :) Saves a lot of money in the long run, though might have negative side-effects in the short run.
Positive drug story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA
Drugs and music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ
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I think it is better to make a little research about the differences between "soft" and "hard" drugs, "tobacco" and "alcohol"."Hard" drugs do kill people. No joke. It is not like "cigarette smoking causes cancer".
Don't compare them.
Please.
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Bringing it down to the pot case, why is it illegal while alcohol sells in hectoliters causing countless pathologies all over the globe. Ethyl alcohol is the problem.
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It would all be more logical if things were internationally consistent. In Holland, you can buy weed, in Belgium not. In Poland, you can buy Salvia Divinorum, in Germany not. In parts of the UAE, you can buy alcohol, in others not. In parts of the UK, you can't buy alcohol on Sundays, in most not. In Norway, you can buy pure ephedrine, in Sweden, not.And Mexico is talking about decriminalising everything, though that could be a kind of moral blackmail bargaining chip if they want something from the US in exchange for not going through with the idea.
One thing is true, that in UK, since cannabis was decriminalised, as a commercial product, it is less attractive to organised crime.
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ilter K.:
"Hard" drugs do kill people. No joke. It is not like "cigarette smoking causes cancer".
Don't compare them.
Please.
Let's put it like this: Drugs, legal or not, are able to kill people. So do cars and guns too. For everything should be regulations according to the damage/effect on society. Alcohol and smoking have a far more serious impact on health systems around the globe than "hard" or "soft drugs. We should change or approach. You simply cannot tell your kid it will go to hell or prison for smoking Marihuana and then drink in front of the kid with your buddies until you pass out. That's twisted and that's why kids do drugs too! They don't like the hypocrasy.
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Jon M.:
And Mexico is talking about decriminalising everything, though that could be a kind of moral blackmail bargaining chip if they want something from the US in exchange for not going through with the idea.
Actually, given the recent developments in Mexico – shoot outs at border crossings and even couple of major police stations, where gunmen simply walked in and killed every cop in sight just to get their men out… this is their way of “cracking down”. Mexico has always been the binge capital of the North America where all College students go to party and screw their brains out with teenage prostitutes. The level of corruption puts Duma to shame.
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Bernd Schreckenberg:No no, I think you got me wrong. Let say even without abusing it, "hard" drug use kills your brain and neural system. That's why I said "let's not compare"
Let's put it like this: Drugs, legal or not, are able to kill people. So do cars and guns too.
... Alcohol and smoking have a far more serious impact on health systems around the globe than "hard" or "soft drugs...You sounded like you're depicting some facts.
I could agree if you were talking about social aspects of the matter, but no, you said 'health'.
What do you know about 'hard' drug use, Bernd?
Edit. My question doesn't mean that I'm testing your knowledge. I just want to know what and how do you know about the things you wrote. I'm just curious about the source of the knowledge. Is it a medical/biological research result, or a social research result, or is it your personal observation? etc.ilter K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 02.12.08 o godzinie 13:44
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... Alcohol and smoking have a far more serious impact on health systems around the globe than "hard" or "soft drugs...
I think Bernd put "hard" here rather inadvertently. Spare "soft" and you share my viewpoint.
What is frequently discussed, and many times rebutted is that "soft drugs" are quite often a gateway to "hard" drugs.
That's exactly how beer might become gateway for hi-octane liquors.
Anyone has her brains to work out whether it's worth it to plunge deeper.Andrzej Dobrucki edytował(a) ten post dnia 02.12.08 o godzinie 13:42
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ilter K.:
I think it is better to make a little research about the differences between "soft" and "hard" drugs, "tobacco" and "alcohol".
"Hard" drugs do kill people. No joke. It is not like "cigarette smoking causes cancer".
Don't compare them.
Please.
Well... quitting most drugs is much easier than for example cigarettes... or alcohol for that matter. I am willing to bet, that you could compare the combined number of deaths caused by hard and soft drugs to deaths caused by tobacco... or alcohol (separate) and still not even get anywhere near being close.
What needs to happen is rehabilitation centers instead of prison terms. Putting someone in prison for position of a controlled substance where it is just as accessible; I’d say even more so than on the outside, is doing things the ass backwards way.
Drug attics are not criminals by trade, they are no different than alcoholics or tobacco smokers, yet by putting them in prison we are turning them into career criminals who after getting out will still crave drugs and now will have alternative motives on top of their addiction.
By decriminalizing drugs and I mean all of them we are getting rid of the street thugs selling them on corners and fighting over turf, we are getting rid of gangs, the mob, international cartels of smugglers and mass murderers who deal in slave labor in their coca plantations, we are putting a stop to the massive opium trade that is now taking place in Afghanistan and instead we are taking trillions of untaxed dollars from the hands of thugs and turning them into taxed dollars, creating jobs and strengthening economy in many places. We would be getting rid of corruption on all major political levels across the globe… so yea… Wishful thinking.
The so called “War on Drugs” is costing the US $600 per second since Ronnie Reagan… just imagine how many kids you could send to school to receive free higher education… which in turn would turn them into bright new future instead of just another body with a gun and a sack full of drugs standing on the corner, because in 1 hr he/she can make more than their mom and dad combined in a month.
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The so called “War on Drugs” is costing the US $600 per second since Ronnie Reagan… just imagine how many kids you could send to school to receive free higher education… which in turn would turn them into bright new future instead of just another body with a gun and a sack full of drugs standing on the corner, because in 1 hr he/she can make more than their mom and dad combined in a month.
I could imagine, US govt's income off selling drugs being the per second war cost x-fold. same for guns.
It fits perfectly into Amenstop's "Circle of power" message.
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Andrzej Dobrucki:
I could imagine, US govt's income off selling drugs being the per second war cost x-fold. same for guns.
It fits perfectly into Amenstop's "Circle of power" message.
Isn’t it tragic? Just knowing that your government would rather put a bandage on a severed head of a wrongfully accused than preventing the mishap from actually taking place?
So sad to know that for example – in Baltimore over 75% of youth will not graduate High School… and a large number of those kids will end up in prison by the time they are 18, simply because on their way to school they see their peers driving around in BMWs with bling bling hanging out the ass and no HS education! Why bother?!
There is an excellent flick “The Boys of Baraka”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0444608/
Which talks about this very issue… why is it that kids from the US have to go to Africa in order to obtain a better education?! That’s simply absurd.
As per the US gov’t profiteering off this drug nonsense… 10 years ago California prison system alone was making over $150 million dollars per year. It is a huge money maker… especially when you take into consideration the fact that the US prisons right now, hold over 2.2 million people.
Let’s not even talk about the weapons trade… haha.. that’s a whole new bag o’ trix. To put in words of John McCain – “When war is this profitable, you are going to see more of it”.
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ilter K.:Of course you are right to distinguish between normal effect and
What do you know about 'hard' drug use, Bernd?
effects with abusing. I do not want to sound like someone who thinks drugs are generally good. Well, some of them are good, but others are great ;-))
@Rafal: and I'm a big fan of Bill Hicks, too :))
But seriously, I had the oppotunity once to speak with the commissary for health and drugs (or whatever the name was) of the German government. Apart from that I read some studies.
My experiences otherwise:
- three of my old acquaintances are dead, alcohol and car and tree-combination
- almost all of my old buddies/friends had alcohol-related car accidents
- I never saw anyone getting aggressive while stoned but a million times on alcohol
Some facts from Germany - long-term causes of smoking:
* 12,1 billion Euro due to inability to work,
* 6,4 billion Euro due to early death,
* 23,1 billion Euro due to early invalidity
(tax income on fags and liquor 18,5 billion Euro in 2007)
- smoking is nr. one for the youth to try "harder" drugs (does not! mean marihuana but "harder" stuff!!)
- every year 15'000 die of legal drugs
- deaths related to alcohol abusing: 42'000
- deaths related to cigarette abusing: 100'000
157'000 total!
- through car crashes and traffic accidents: circa 12'000 (a third should be alcohol-related deaths)
- for using illegal drugs: 1400 (this number is sinking, slowly, since years)
As well there are 534.622 people in treatment due to misuse of alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical and chemical substances
And then you might count the secondary and tertiary costs as money spend for trials, persecution, police surveillance, drug related crimes (as damage to property, health treatment) and so on.Bernd Schreckenberg edytował(a) ten post dnia 02.12.08 o godzinie 14:24
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The Swiss have just voted on allowing heroin to be prescribed to addicts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm
What do others think about legalising 'soft' and 'hard' drugs?
As far as I know similar approaches have been used for good effect in several other countries. It is simply less harmful to the society if a drug addict can obtain legally a substance he/she is addicted to, than buying it illegally what often involves crime to obtain the huge amont of money for overpriced drugs.
When it comes to "soft" and "hard" drugs - I would be more strict as the division line is very arbitrary and sometimes soft drugs are saturated with hard ones. Anyway I would be against totally free access.
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