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Lidia K.

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Actually, among other things, it was Steven's admitting that he didn't quite get what happened to Agata Mroz that she died that I realized that you can live in Poland happily and not necessarily have the same understanding/knowledge of the reality. (the death of the volleyball player was somehow a very sad and significant thing for me plus it was extremely publicized...).

On the other hand, I have no remote idea what's going on with the football hype now and I'm going to avoid this topic like plague.
I will disintegrate on this one :)
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Lidia K.

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Guy Cautaerts:
What are the things definitely you're NOT going to integrate with?
The way they can drink alcohol, the way they can drive as crazy :))
Please stay different as long as you can! :))
BTW how do you survive driving in Warsaw then?
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Lidia K.:
Guy Cautaerts:
What are the things definitely you're NOT going to integrate with?
The way they can drink alcohol, the way they can drive as crazy :))
Please stay different as long as you can! :))
BTW how do you survive driving in Warsaw then?
Some drivers think that they are driving in Monaco (F1) ... like Kubica... :))
How I survive ? ... driving on my way :)) Nie mam problemu :)
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Tim Harrell

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If this group had a FAQ, Jon's post should be at the top of it.
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Kari W.

Kari W. education

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Jon M.:

I certainly don't feel like a Pole (but what is a Pole? Does an American of Polish origins who's never been to Poland and speaks broken Polish count,

As an American that mingles on occasion with Polish-American families I can say this is indeed a difficult subject. I had a friend that saw a Polish Eagle tattoo on a young woman and upon remarking on it in Polish she giggled and replied she didn't speak Polish but that both her parents were Polish. My friend was furious that she had the gall to put such a proud symbol on her body and she didn't have the right to do such a thing.
actively dislike historical museums, especially if there is a political gloss, as in Poland there invariably is.
My husband is a stickler for Polish history, especially everything with a political and military motivation. I see myself attending many of these museums. Why do you view it as unsavory? What do you mean by actively dislike? Do you speak openly about your distaste for them amongst your friends/colleagues? How do they feel about them? I am very curious.


some God-awful gołąbki, schabowy or pierogi leniwy. Elitist, but true. Good food is good food, regardless of origin.

I have grown to love golabki with rice and mushrooms..mmmmm.


In other matters, despite being an immigrant and therefore close to the edge of the sharp-end of such things, I'll probably never develop the obsession with nationality, race, religion and historical injustice that persists here,
nor will I start shutting windows to keep the air out (a long-running source of tension with my lodgers).

Keep the air out? Why?

Thanks in advance. :DKari Wolk edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.06.08 o godzinie 06:18
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Ilter K.

Ilter K. Business Developer,
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Jon M.:
The football test (similar to Norman Tebbitt's Cricket test) is a thorny one. But if the Poland team is playing anyone from outside The Commonwealth, they would have my support.
If Jamaica plays with Poland, would you support Jamaica?
:)
Or you mean Canada, UK, South Afcica, Australia, India and Pakistan only?
(Sorry for bothering you eith this thorny test, but trying to figure out the size of this "The Commonwealth" thing)
After 8 years though, I still meet a**holes who insist on speaking English to me, ask how Im enjoying my 'stay' (purleez), which hotel I'm in, and tell me that they can 'help' me find a flat (no thanks, but I could help them find somewhere if they want).

So no easy answers, but even though Lidia's question is a sensible one, the next person who asks "How long You are in the Poland?", "What do you like about`our country?", "Did you ever try Bigos/pierogi/oscypki?", or "Why did you come to The Poland?" may well get it in the pysk.
Are you really surprised to hear these questions, or are you just p*ssed off because it happens so often?
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Ilter K.

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When I read some posts in this thread, I felt like saying: "You should feel lucky, what if you'd look like Turkish and try to get a job/life in Poland?"
hehe

The thing is, "A Brit living in Poland" sounds perfectly ok to me. You are also Christian. You look as pale as a Pole (hahaha). You don't mind eating Pork. People (guys with muscles and short hair) in trams don't stop you and threaten you. If you didn't have a great career, it doesn't matter, just be a language teacher - they won't question your strange Scottish accent etc.

Hey, please don't shoot me! :)) I also have my own judgements, and it is very natural to have them.

I'm described as "an Alien" in official documents. And I can guess what it means. Although I am supposed to be 'unknown' (according to that term), people has their own prejudices about my nationality.
There are some places in Poland (like any other European country) If I say loudly from where I am, I might get killed with no other reason. It is enough to be Turkish, Iranian or whatever other "weird" country.
If I will have a problem with a local who parked his car in front of my garage, I will either be framed as a terrorist, or an "aggressive Turk" (which perfectly fits to the idea of being "Barbaric Islamist" etc.)
But again... I am lucky too... because "I don't look Turkish". hehe. (That's another subject, but there's no need for me to talk about stereotypes. Because that's a very natural thing. When you don't know too much about a thing, but when there are things that you've heard about it before, you tend to believe in what you've heard. You don't go and read books or even search an info in internet).

I, as an alien, have to bear everything what comes to my way. If I can't bear it, I just leave.

But now I just remembered another thing which is great about Poles... when I try to communicate with a crappy 3-word sentences in Polish, they claim that I speak perfect Polish... liars...
And their standard joke is "I also can not speak Polish well".
:)
heheilter Kalkanci edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.06.08 o godzinie 13:40
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Jon M.

Jon M. Technical/Offshore
English,
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Kari Wolk:
My husband is a stickler for Polish history, especially everything with a political and military motivation. I see myself attending many of these museums. Why do you view it as unsavory? What do you mean by actively dislike? Do you speak openly about your distaste for them amongst your friends/colleagues? How do they feel about them? I am very curious.

I'm just not fond of the way exhibits are labelled in some of the museums here.


I have grown to love golabki with rice and mushrooms..mmmmm.

Actually gołąbki can grow on one! :-))

nor will I start shutting windows to keep the air out (a long-running source of tension with my lodgers).

Keep the air out? Why?

I've never worked out why. I know people here who tape their windows shut. Others who go round shutting bus windows, and a couple of people who say that you can get ill from not wearing a scarf in winter. There must be some logic - I just haven't figured out what.
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Jon M.

Jon M. Technical/Offshore
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ilter Kalkanci:

If Jamaica plays with Poland, would you support Jamaica?
:)
Or you mean Canada, UK, South Afcica, Australia, India and Pakistan only?
(Sorry for bothering you eith this thorny test, but trying to figure out the size of this "The Commonwealth" thing)

Hard to say. If it was Canada v Poland, I might support Poland. Jamaica? I'd support Jamaica, having a lot of friends from there. Pakistan too. Australia? Hmmm. I've got family there. South Africa? No connection with the place, so definitely Poland.
After 8 years though, I still meet a**holes who insist on speaking English to me, ask how Im enjoying my 'stay' (purleez), which hotel I'm in, and tell me that they can 'help' me find a flat (no thanks, but I could help them find somewhere if they want).

So no easy answers, but even though Lidia's question is a sensible one, the next person who asks "How long You are in the Poland?", "What do you like about`our country?", "Did you ever try Bigos/pierogi/oscypki?", or "Why did you come to The Poland?" may well get it in the pysk.
Are you really surprised to hear these questions, or are you just p*ssed off because it happens so often?

A bit of both. Last year I was sitting in a bar, chatting for the whole evening with a friend who doesn't speak English. After eavesdropping for an hour, a guy sat next to us turned and asked me "How you are like you stay? What you hotel?"
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Jon M.:
me "How you are like you stay? What you hotel?"

haha... damn man.. that would drive me up the wall.
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Ilter K.

Ilter K. Business Developer,
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He tried to communicate with you in your mother language (it might be a rather nice feeling for you), and/or, he tried to practice his english, and/or, he tried to show off without knowing that he ruined his own charisma (if there was any).

If that happens all the time, I can understand you better.

But I wouldn't blame a "poor" guy who is trying to speak English. It's a nice thing. From my point of view at least. :)
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Jon M.

Jon M. Technical/Offshore
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ilter Kalkanci:
He tried to communicate with you in your mother language (it might be a rather nice feeling for you), and/or, he tried to practice his english, and/or, he tried to show off without knowing that he ruined his own charisma (if there was any).

If that happens all the time, I can understand you better.

But I wouldn't blame a "poor" guy who is trying to speak English. It's a nice thing. From my point of view at least. :)


I know what you mean. In the bar I go to most, there are quite a few elderly customers who speak a little English and enjoy using it. It is indeed nice to speak to them. Even the retired professor whose only sentence in English seems to be about making love to The Queen!

The guy I referred to, after switching to Polish, kept asking really nasty questions. He wasn't trying to pick a fight, but certainly wanted a heated discussion about historical matters which I wasn't up for. I'd seen him having a row with an American customer of the same bar too. Just one of those people.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.06.08 o godzinie 14:40
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Jon M.:
He wasn't trying to pick a fight, but certainly wanted a heated discussion about
historical matters

Do you get that often?
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Ilter K.

Ilter K. Business Developer,
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Ok, I see, the d**khead type of guy.
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Ilter K.

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Rafal Wolk:
Jon M.:
He wasn't trying to pick a fight, but certainly wanted a heated discussion about
historical matters

Do you get that often?
According to my experience, such guys spend their time in cafes, pubs etc.
So if Jon goes such places often, it could happen often I guess.
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Jon M.

Jon M. Technical/Offshore
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It happens! :-))
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ilter Kalkanci:
When I read some posts in this thread, I felt like saying: "You should feel lucky, what if you'd look like Turkish and try to get
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I didn`t realise it was THAT bad...
I`m so sorry ...Violetta P. edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.06.08 o godzinie 21:03
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Ilter K.

Ilter K. Business Developer,
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No need to be sorry. That's life :)

As I wrote previously, I have good impressions about Poland.
It is not easy to be a foreigner anywhere.
And I think, Poland will get used to new globalisation side-effects in couple of years, colorful looks will be less interesting for some uneducated ones, or there will be less uneducated people :) That is called "developed country" I guess :)ilter Kalkanci edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 00:38
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ilter Kalkanci:
That is called "developed country" I guess
Hope to use this term for Poland in some 50 years` time...
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Ilter K.

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It will be much sooner, you will see :)
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