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Michal B.

Michal B. stud.

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« I’m A Jazz Singer"

James A. Emanuel

He dug what she said:
bright jellies, smooth marmalade
spread on warm brown bread.

“Jazz” from drowsy lips
orchids lift to honeybees
floating on long sips.

“Jazz”: quick fingerpops
pancake on a griddle-top
of memories. Stop.

“Jazz”: mysterious
as nutmeg, missing fingers,
gold, Less serious.

“Jazz”: cool bannister.
Don’t need no stair. Ways to climb
when the sax is there.
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Michal B.

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For A Depressed Woman

James A. Emanuel

I
My friends do not know.
But what could my friends not know?
About what? What friends?

II
She sleeps late each day,
stifling each reason to rise,
choked into the quilt.

III
“I’ll never find work.”
She swallows this thought with pills,
finds tears in the glass.
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warren whitmore:
Out of curiosity, Lukasz, who teaches you English pronunciation?

Or are you self-taught?

Have you had much contact with native speakers?

Warren,

I am a self-taught bastard, but I have got some backgrounds. I've started my very adventure with English since kindergarten- my parents had sent me on English lessons, I've learned a lot from cartoons also, than private lessons and never ending practise I can't ignore the very fact that I used & use English at work.

If you are asking about my pronounciation teacher, I can tell you that I "went through" If may I say like that? several English teachers but I need to admit one thing, when I was at the University only one guy had inspired me to learn/improve RP- Mr. Sławek Mikołajczak. He taught me descriptive grammar and phonetics-maybe you know that guy he is a teacher trainer at the University in Bydgoszcz. Thanks to his fabulous British accent RP(Received Pronounciation)I started to polish my British Pronounciation and from that time until today I am an British English "buff". That's all, in brief. Honestly what do you think about my accent? I mean, is it no so bad or just average?
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Wow, to be honest I don't have anything in common with poetry but really BIG RESPECT, Lukasz.

Cheers mate.Marek S. edytował(a) ten post dnia 23.10.08 o godzinie 00:42

Thanks a lot Marek,

I truly appreciate your opinion!!!

Cheers mate
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Łukasz Klejment:
when I was at the University only one guy had inspired me to learn/improve RP- Mr. Sławek Mikołajczak. He taught me descriptive grammar and phonetics-maybe you know that guy he is a teacher trainer at the University in Bydgoszcz.

I don't know the man.

I'd be interested to hear him speak English, however.
Thanks to his fabulous British accent RP(Received Pronounciation)I started to polish my British Pronounciation and from that time until today I am an British English "buff". That's all, in brief.

Please be aware that very few native British English speakers use RP.
Honestly what do you think about my accent? I mean, is it no so bad or just average?

You won't get an honest answer to such questions, any more than a girl who asks how pretty she is.

I'm very interested in the teaching of pronunciation. However, I'm not convinced that it is necessarily a good idea for Poles to attempt to mimic a British accent.

It would be good to start some threads on this subject.
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Michal B.

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W.B. Yeats

HAD I the heavens’ embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Michal B.

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Obrazek

How Many Seconds?
Christina Rossetti

How many seconds in a minute?
Sixty, and no more in it.

How many minutes in an hour?
Sixty for sun and shower.

How many hours in a day?
Twenty-four for work and play.

How many days in a week?
Seven both to hear and speak.

How many weeks in a month?
Four, as the swift moon runn'th.

How many months in a year?
Twelve the almanack makes clear.

How many years in an age?
One hundred says the sage.

How many ages in time?
No one knows the rhyme.Michał B. edytował(a) ten post dnia 23.10.08 o godzinie 19:56
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Alicja Efejska

Alicja Efejska Lektor, PEN

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Łukasz Klejment:
At the very below you have got another one recited by me:

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=5cuAdkaTdkc

Great Łukasz! I love this interpretation! :) It sounds so natural when you say it! Congratulations! You did a good job on it! :)
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Thanks a lot for your opinion Warren,
You won't get an honest answer to such questions, any more than a > girl who asks how pretty she is.

I appreciate it, honesty is gold that's true!!

I'm
not convinced that it is necessarily a good idea for Poles to attempt to mimic a British accent.

The very example is Mr Sławek, the world is so tiny that I wish you to meet the guy ;-) maybe you would change your mind?
Please be aware that very few native British English speakers use > RP.

I'm a bit aware about that, I have even heard that some Brits perceive RP speakers as snobs.
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Alicja Efejska:
Łukasz Klejment:
At the very below you have got another one recited by me:

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=5cuAdkaTdkc

Great Łukasz! I love this interpretation! :) It sounds so natural when you say it! Congratulations! You did a good job on it! :)

Thanks a lot Alicja,

I am so glad that you like it ;-)
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I believe we've already had a discussion on accents, though, and came to the conclusion that it's ok not to sound RP or native-like. I think it's impossible to get rid of an accent.
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Tatiana S.:
I believe we've already had a discussion on accents, though, and came to the conclusion that it's ok not to sound RP or native-like. I think it's impossible to get rid of an accent.

It's perfectly possible if you want it, work hard at it, have the talent for it, and know how.

But that's a helluva lot of 'ifs'.

I wouldn't advise the majority of people learning English to try to achieve a perfect English accent. They'd most likely end up sounding 'forced' and artificial, and the accent probably wouldn't be accepted as 'authentic' by 'Brits' themselves.

The main reason I'd advise people against such an undertaking is that they'd appear to be claiming group membership to which they are not entitled.

Intelligibility, IMHO, is all people need aim for. If it doesn't impede communication, it doesn't really matter.
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You might be right there. And I'm working hard on losing my drawl :)
I've met a few people whose English was actually native-like, so it must be possible, with, as you say, a lot of "ifs".
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warren whitmore:

I'm very interested in the teaching of
pronunciation.

I used to imagine the word that I'd have issues with, then observe native speakers and try to pick out that one word... look at the way the mouth would move and compare various ways of pronunciation. If I'd encountered something that has caused me some serious issues, I'd ask my friend to slowly say the word or even split it up and say it in couple different parts and compare the separate parts to the way you'd pronounce them in other words.

For example if the word was - Policeman –

Po - as in polite,
Lice - as in lease on a house and not like “lice” that you find on your head
man - as in mandatory.

It helped with vocabulary and pronunciation.
However, I'm not convinced that it is necessarily a good idea for Poles to attempt to mimic a British accent.

It would be good to start some threads on this subject.
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warren whitmore:
Tatiana S.:
I believe we've already had a discussion on accents, though, and came to the conclusion that it's ok not to sound RP or native-like. I think it's impossible to get rid of an accent.

It's perfectly possible if you want it, work hard at it, have the talent for it, and know how.

But that's a helluva lot of 'ifs'.

I wouldn't advise the majority of people learning English to try to achieve a perfect English accent. They'd most likely end up sounding 'forced' and artificial, and the accent probably wouldn't be accepted as 'authentic' by 'Brits' themselves.

The main reason I'd advise people against such an undertaking is that they'd appear to be claiming group membership to which they are not entitled.

Intelligibility, IMHO, is all people need aim for. If it doesn't impede communication, it doesn't really matter.


American accent is much easier to pick up than British in my opinion. I sometimes try to copy the British accent myself and find it pretty difficult.
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Not so sure, Raf.
I find British accents utterly amusing though. :)
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Tatiana S.:
Not so sure, Raf.
I find British accents utterly amusing though. :)

It sure is, it makes cursing somebody out sound so damn polite. I know this guy Simon (London) he came out here couple of times and I can never figure out which "bloody" is the angry one and which one is meant as a coma.
No offence but after dealing with the southern twang for four years, I can not stand it haha.. it just definitely hits all the wrong spots.
“Yall sent me this here thang and um not so shue that I na wann it”

Yall – that alone is like fingernails on a chalk board.
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Michal B.

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I have seen many poems showing how difficult English pronunciation is, but this one is new to me:

Poem of English Pronunciation
Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough?
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is give it up!

Gerard Nolst Trenité
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Michal B.

Michal B. stud.

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The chaos of English pronunciation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1spqX4sIDo
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Sylwia Łubkowska

Sylwia Łubkowska Nauczyciel oraz
tłumacz j.
angielskiego

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Rafal W.:
warren whitmore:
Tatiana S.:
I believe we've already had a discussion on accents, though, and came to the conclusion that it's ok not to sound RP or native-like. I think it's impossible to get rid of an accent.

It's perfectly possible if you want it, work hard at it, have the talent for it, and know how.

But that's a helluva lot of 'ifs'.

I wouldn't advise the majority of people learning English to try to achieve a perfect English accent. They'd most likely end up sounding 'forced' and artificial, and the accent probably wouldn't be accepted as 'authentic' by 'Brits' themselves.

The main reason I'd advise people against such an undertaking is that they'd appear to be claiming group membership to which they are not entitled.

Intelligibility, IMHO, is all people need aim for. If it doesn't impede communication, it doesn't really matter.


American accent is much easier to pick up than British in my opinion. I sometimes try to copy the British accent myself and find it pretty difficult.

I'd like to hear you, Rafal. I can only mock Am accent (and the quality of it would probably be debatable). I think it's just the question of what you're exposed to.

When British people hear me speak they say I have a 'European' accent, which means I may have lost some of inherent features of Polish accent but, much as I'd like to, I won't sound like a native. Is it good or bad? Dunno, but I begin to appreciate foreign accents of English (French, Indian and Jamaican being my favourite).

It's all about the melody. If you're sensitive to it, you'll appreciate it. If I can do something to get closer to my favourite BrE, I will. It's just music to my ears.Sylwia Łubkowska edytował(a) ten post dnia 25.10.08 o godzinie 01:45
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