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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Temat: Elections in Germany 2009

Hi,

again, let me ask YOU, yes you out there, fellow GL'ers :) What do YOU think of the coming elections? (giving back some more serious thoughts for a change ;-) )

- What effects might these elections have on Poland?

- Which party would you prefer to win?

- What do you think of this party?:
http://www.die-partei.de/

additional info:
http://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/region/mainz/meldunge...

- Would you want to have Merkel back or opt for Steinmeier?

- Presidential elections and European elections we have to face too. The first is a paliamentary the latter a public vote. Any thoughts on that?

German Parties:
CDU
CSU
SPD
FDP
Die Gruenen
Die Linke/PDS
Die Partei
APPD
PBT
DVU
Die Republikaner
NPD

See here for info and additional parties:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties...

Bonus question:
What's your standpoint on the causa Steinbach? Who did right and/or wrong?Bernd Schreckenberg edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.03.09 o godzinie 11:43
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Rafał D.

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What worries me is the fact not only didn't I know there are elections but also I don't really care about them :O I mean I know I should but I don't. Why is it that it was so much in the media about US president candidates programmes and there is hardly anything (am I right?) about German parties?
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Especially that it's just across the border. Even Hungarian parties get more press coverage.

So far I've learnt that FPD is liberal and that the neo-nazis are experiencing financial difficulties.

Apart from that, it's either Merkel or... a little bit of Erika in my room ;)

Anyway, the pivotal issue is whether any party plans to impose speed limits on German Autobahns.
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Isn't that funny that Anti-German propaganda spawns well with the ducks or wprost or (Springer on both sides) Fakt? But real or normal news coverage like about the different elections, festivities (like 60years BRD, 20years end of DDR and other round birthdays) you don't see? ;-(
This year is going to be one of the most important years in Germany since 1949 IMHO. Because of the elections, because of the celebretations, because of the crisis and gouvernmental actions, because of things.

As for parties, there are two shadows lurking: the extrem left and the extrem right which both for similar reasons might get too many seats in the parliament. The people are frustrated, helpless and a bit afraid. Neither CDU nor SPD show competent values or people, for almost five years now.

@Adam: A speed limit might be introduced with the green party part of a future German gouvernment.

@Rafal: Well, you don't have to care, naturally. But could care, naturally, since it's your neighbour. ;-) Your pick :)
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Bernd Schreckenberg:
Isn't that funny that Anti-German propaganda spawns well with the ducks or wprost or (Springer on both sides) Fakt? But real or normal news coverage like about the different elections, festivities (like 60years BRD, 20years end of DDR and other round birthdays) you don't see? ;-(
This year is going to be one of the most important years in Germany since 1949 IMHO. Because of the elections, because of the celebretations, because of the crisis and gouvernmental actions, because of things.

As for parties, there are two shadows lurking: the extrem left and the extrem right which both for similar reasons might get too many seats in the parliament. The people are frustrated, helpless and a bit afraid. Neither CDU nor SPD show competent values or people, for almost five years now.

@Rafal: Well, you don't have to care, naturally. But could care, naturally, since it's your neighbour. ;-) Your pick :)

I can explain why german elections are uninteresting (at least for me). The reason is the same like in Poland: almost all significant parties are left. In Poland such parties like: PIS, PO, PSL, SLD, Samoobrona are left. In Germany, CDU/CSU, FDP, etc. are left too. So what REAL choice do you (we) have? :)

Whatever geovernment party will be chosen in Germany in 2009, it will be left. It means no changes. And that's why it's uninteresting even for neighbouring countries.
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Tomasz Krzal:
The reason is the same like in Poland: almost all significant
parties are left. In Poland such parties like: PIS, PO, PSL, SLD, Samoobrona are left. In Germany, CDU/CSU, FDP, etc. are left too. So what REAL choice do you (we) have? :)

Whatever geovernment party will be chosen in Germany in 2009, it will be left. It means no changes. And that's why it's uninteresting even for neighbouring countries.
PIS is on the left? CDU/CSU are on the left?
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Dave A.:
Whatever geovernment party will be chosen in Germany in 2009, it will be left. It means no changes. And that's why it's uninteresting even for neighbouring countries.
PIS is on the left? CDU/CSU are on the left?

Exactly. They claim to be on the right side but when it comes to public moneys, they want to disperse it all and (of course) to increase taxes. It's typical only for leftists.
In Poland this situation is described as: "All political parties can be split into two groups: believing left and non-believing left".
Left and right political options are present e.g. in the USA, but not in Poland or Germany.
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Tomasz Krzal:

Whatever geovernment party will be chosen in Germany in 2009, it will be left. It means no changes. And that's why it's uninteresting even for neighbouring countries.

I hear ya, but cannot agree. If only spending is the measurement, what about the other fields of ideology, philosophy etc.? If what you say would be true, the big coalition would have had a splendid four year reign in Germany.
Real left are Die Linke. SPD and CDU are called centre parties. With tendencies more to left or right. FDP is liberal and nothing leftist about them.
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Bernd Schreckenberg:

I hear ya, but cannot agree. If only spending is the measurement, what about the other fields of ideology, philosophy etc.? If what you say would be true, the big coalition would have had a splendid four year reign in Germany.
Real left are Die Linke. SPD and CDU are called centre parties. With tendencies more to left or right. FDP is liberal and nothing leftist about them.

1) What about idealogy and similar stuff? It's simple. If you claim to be on the right side in domain of philosophy and ideology but your actions are leftist, it all means that you are on the left side. Why? Because words mean much less than facts (true behaviours),
2) Big coalition of leftists would reign in Germany ONLY if they have the same purposes. But theirs opinions are split when it comes to the level of state interventionism. Die Linke wants Germany to have socialism, CDU wants Germany to be half socialistic half-capitalistic and FDP wants Germany to be 30%/70% soc-capit. They agreed to differ and therefore Germany has no Big Coalition,
3) You told that FDU is liberal and is NOT lefttist. Ok, let's check theirs economic policy. I look up into English Wikipedia (Free Democratic Party (Germany)) and I read:
"Since the 1980s the FDP has maintained a consistently free-market stance, by German standards. However, many of its policies acknowledge that certain aims cannot be reached by market mechanisms alone and would not be seen as free-market policies in, for example, the USA; so the FDP supports a minimum standard of welfare protections for all and strong anti-trust policies, for example.".

If this is the most liberal party in Germany, then it's rather obvious that all german significant parties are on the left side. Even Nazi parties aren't rightist. They all are leftist (but they are called "ultra-rightist", at least in Poland).
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Rafał D.

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Berndt: My belief is I don't fully create my "cares" ;) The media do in a large part. And that's why I'm concerned that the subject is not covered well in Poland (or maybe I simply read or watch TV to little).
Besides, I have relativelly good contact with Germans because of work relations so I take most of my knowledge about the actuall situation in Germany from them. (At least some time ago because now I was switching project and thus clients and coleagues). And it feels for me more "real" than what I see in TV, especially that Warshaw is really far from Germany, in many meanings...
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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@Tomasz:
Yes, it's one of history's less funny jokes that the NSDAP was an extreme left not right wing party. Right or fascist parties existed in Italy and Spain. Yes. But try to explain this to book burning leftist punks and anti-globalization activists ;-)

One other thing is, that the "Grundgesetz" says that Germany is a "Sozialstaat". So the FDP cannot be as liberal as they want, otherwise they would have to change the constitution which is hardly possible.

@ Rafal:
"that Warshaw is really far from Germany, in many meanings..."

so true :) or :(
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Bernd Schreckenberg:
@Tomasz: Yes. But try to explain this to book burning leftist punks and anti-globalization activists ;-)
Haha :) I like your jokes :D Very good idea is to send'em back to kindergarten ;)
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Bernd Schreckenberg:
Hi,

again, let me ask YOU, yes you out there, fellow GL'ers :) What do YOU think of the coming elections? (giving back some more serious thoughts for a change ;-) )

BTW: Do you have any expectations of forthcoming changes which could happen after these elections? You'd expect keeping status quo or changing DE into really liberal state (with free market rules almost everywhere)?
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Hard to say, honestly.
On one hand I'd like more people to vote, especially for smaller parties. To show the bigger, the "people's parties", their responsibility.
On the other hand I'd like a minimum of people voting. Though this would be worse, since it'll count anyways, no matter if 50% or 5% participate.

There are major changes waiting: reform of the health-care-system, the social-system, the pension-system, the tax-system, funding of education, more direct-democratic laws and possibilities. I mean the list of things which have to be done is endless. Hard even to put up a priority.
Take the first three mentioned. All systems are rotten to the core or flawless. They only keep on running, because their is more and more money pumped into them or people simply work their way around the problems themselves.

Unfortunately the politicians in Germany are, naturally or historically or traditionally, afraid that more democratic decision making by the mojority or more freedom wouldn't work out in an authoritarian/rule-oriented state like Germany.

Defying their believes are more and more NGO's for more direct-democracy, less censorship aso. Well, hope dies last :P
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Paweł G.

Paweł G. Instytut Fizyki
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Shame, but I don't know 2 much about a political situation in Germany. Anyway the topic encourages me to give some more general remarks.

Once when i were in Germany i encountered a SPD picnic which was organized before ellection and I started talking with 1 of SPD guy. He was a nice and optimistic man and after he heard that i'm from Poland he explained me that, "however, ellections are important but generaly ppl are quite easy about them and whoever wins there's no need for a big enthusiasm or cry". He also made some positive remarks about CDU as their opponents. We drank a few beers and it was really ok.

So after some time I spent in Germany I've got an impression that German ppl generaly consider many events as an oppurtunity for picnic and eating bratwurst and drinking beer and I think it's really cool about them.

That's why i hate when crazy ppl try to sow prejudice between our nations.Paweł Gąsior edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.03.09 o godzinie 14:16
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Paweł Gąsior:

So after some time I spent in Germany I've got an impression that German ppl generaly consider many events as an oppurtunity for picnic and eating bratwurst and drinking beer and I think it's really cool about them.

So it's a good and bad situation because, as Berndt indicated, Germany is in bad situation and needs lots of renovations. But to be honest, if I was German I would drink too some Das Beer after Die Bratwurst. Das ist Leben! :D
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Tomasz Krzal:
Paweł Gąsior:

So after some time I spent in Germany I've got an impression that German ppl generaly consider many events as an oppurtunity for picnic and eating bratwurst and drinking beer and I think it's really cool about them.

So it's a good and bad situation because, as Berndt indicated, Germany is in bad situation and needs lots of renovations. But to be honest, if I was German I would drink too some Das Beer after Die Bratwurst. Das ist Leben! :D

Drinking in Germany is a lot socialized. Meaning the people meet for any occasion to feast and get wasted.

As a forecast I today read about the social system and it takes the hell out of any day. The fact that the disparity between rich and poor grows even faster than in the USA and this is as well due to the fact that we have a welfare state is depressing.
And it's even the more depressing since my views or experiences are topped by the "Spiegel". Grr.... I need a beer!!
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel is being criticized for running a boring election campaign. It may be part of a cunning plan to win by deterring opposition supporters from voting. The strategy could work -- but may end up damaging German democracy.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,647...

Damaging democracy? Haha, well done, mesdames et monsieurs!
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Bernd Schreckenberg

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Yes, and this dumb nut is going to be our new foreign secretary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYGPWQ0VjY

PS: And he's gay, which, in this case, might make matters worse!Bernd Schreckenberg edytował(a) ten post dnia 28.09.09 o godzinie 20:58
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We are done then...

As coalition talks begin for Germany's new government, Chancellor Angela Merkel is already setting the agenda. She is opposing demands by her junior coalition partner, the business-friendly FDP, for labor market and welfare reforms. The new administration is going to look a lot like the old one -- both in policies and personnel.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,653...

Four years they let the German public down, were not tackling with needed reforms. Now, they choose a new crew, the old one, and won't do it either. Alea iacta est.
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