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warren whitmore:
Come off it, Tatiana.

So if you desperately want someone, you carry on until arrested for stalking?

I don't know where you get these ideas from, Warren. I thought this was all about life's goals, inventions, and, presumably, soccer?
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48 hours was just hypothetical. I assumed something has happened to Lidia and she is upset. Not simply that she has dropped and broken a plate whilst doing the washing up.
So, no reference to Poland game at all (which would be more like 24 hours).

Anyway, if people were so good at learning and being wise in the times of failure, then adults (and older adults) would never be disheartened. Is that true?Steven H. edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.06.08 o godzinie 21:26
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It's true. And I don't think one should deny the pain and frustration that failures bring. It's a part of learning experience. But when the pain subsides, and it always does sooner or later, you get up and go instead of saying "my life is a complete disappointment".
At least this is how I see it.
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Steven H.:
48 hours was just hypothetical. I assumed something has happened to Lidia and she is upset.
I think she would have responded to the responses in a different way, to give the discussian a direction.
As far as I follow, she was just pissed of rude Poles who couldn't cope with the failure gracefully.
Besides... for God's sake, this is a public chat! hehe.
Serious troubles or depressions can not be handled by starting a new thread, am I wrong?
Anyway, if people were so good and learninga and being wise in the times of failure, then adults (and older adults) would never be disheartened. Is that true?
You can't just say: "You feel tough? Beat that!" and gave the worst moment of your life as an example to the younger people. That would be simply discouraging and not fair. Am I right?
(Ok, surely you can. But my point is not about whether you have the freedom of speech or not)
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Tatiana S.:
warren whitmore:
Come off it, Tatiana.

So if you desperately want someone, you carry on until arrested for stalking?

I don't know where you get these ideas from, Warren. I thought this was all about life's goals, inventions, and, presumably, soccer?

'You' is always a problematic word in English.

I meant people generally, not Tatiana personally.
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Sorry Steven, I perceived your post as someone saying: "Whaddaya know?!".
That's the reason of my defensive behaviour, although I didn't take an offense by your message.
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warren whitmore:
'You' is always a problematic word in English.

I meant people generally, not Tatiana personally.
That's why we shoulda bin using "Pan, pani, panowie" etc. hehe
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ilter Kalkanci:
Steven H.:
48 hours was just hypothetical. I assumed something has happened to Lidia and she is upset.
As far as I follow, she was just pissed of rude Poles who couldn't cope with the failure gracefully.

I believe so.

This is a follow on to the Poland v Austria thread.

The reaction of (some) Poles to the referees decision has been absolutely pathetic.

However, the correct response to failure in general may be worth discussing.
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warren whitmore:
Tatiana S.:
warren whitmore:
Come off it, Tatiana.

So if you desperately want someone, you carry on until arrested for stalking?

I don't know where you get these ideas from, Warren. I thought this was all about life's goals, inventions, and, presumably, soccer?

'You' is always a problematic word in English.

I meant people generally, not Tatiana personally.

I guessed you didn't ;) Was just surprised at where your thoughts have drifted.
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warren whitmore:
However, the correct response to failure in general may be worth discussing.
Surely it is.

This was Poland's first time in a European cup. They loved being in there, and don't want to turn back home early.
Polish spectators will get used to it. I don't mean failures, but dealing with them in a neat way.
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I'll start another thread on this.

The reaction of English supporters to failure can also be unpleasant, but they normally turn on their own team, manager and players, rather than the referee.

It's very rare for English supporters to accuse the ref of taking bribes.

And please understand, the reaction to the ref's decision, even here, has been really, really pathetic.
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I think that the players are laughing though.
Had they simply lost, and if they play as poorly in the last game as they did against Ger and in the first half against Aus then they'd perhaps be sneered at.
As it was they were robbed and are now absolved of any blame.
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Hi,
thank you for your sensitive and imaginative approach. Steven :)))

Personally I'm ok. At times I'm a little bit of an exhibitionist but this time it's not the case :)

Yes, the thread was intended for the discussion of how we as Poles/non-Poles see failure and frustration.

This anti-referee thing I'm seeing on nasza-klasa although maybe harmless is simply scary in its scale and kind of fashion how easily it's spread with so many people! I'm not sure you realize this. For me it's pure aggression in visual form. Terrible.

And it's supposed to be (only?) sports.
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It will never be "only sports" Lidia :)

But it shouldn't be this way too.

As a Pole, you shouldn't feel sorry. Similar thing happened after the match between Brazil-Turkey in the World Cup (2002). Turkish spectators were also very angry. That refree was also criticised heavily by everyone. Maybe it was lighter at that time, but similar things are not only happening in Poland. Although I must admit, it is a little bit heavy this time. But again, crazy people are everywhere... you never know whether it is their sense of humor, or real anger which is wrong...ilter Kalkanci edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.06.08 o godzinie 22:24
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ilter Kalkanci:
It will never be "only sports" Lidia :)

But it shouldn't be this way too.
I don't understand men. I don't care about football but I'm interested how people react to difficult situations because it shows what kind of people they are.

An example: a former student of mine, graduated from the University of Medicine, so he's about 24. He usually places pics of himself and his girlfriend on NK. But last night he felt the need or just followed the fashion (don't know what's worse) to place an offensive photo with the referee. And then his friends went on to congratulate him! I don't find it funny.

It's just a tiny example. But it drives me mad.

It's an active way of spreading evil and hatred so to speak.

Do you think I'm oversensitive?

As a Pole, you shouldn't feel sorry. Similar thing happened after the match between Brazil-Turkey in the World Cup (2002). Turkish spectators were also very angry.
Have you seen what footbal 'fans' can do here in Poland? After a local match? The damage? The destroyed stadiums, trains and train stations? Then the mass media say 'oh, this is nothing, it's these obscure (unemployed or underprivileged socially) people, we're in control.
And now you have THOUSANDS of normal Poles doing the same - only virtually.
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You're right, Lidia.
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Lidia K.:
Do you think I'm oversensitive?
No, you are the right one. No doubt about that.
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This anti-referee thing I'm seeing on nasza-klasa although maybe harmless is simply scary in its scale and kind of fashion how easily it's spread with so many people! I'm not sure you realize this. For me it's pure aggression in visual form. Terrible.


At this point Basil Fawlty or some other British TV character would say, "That is how Nazi Germany started you know"
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Steven H.:

At this point Basil Fawlty or some other British TV character would say, "That is how Nazi Germany started you know"
Yes, I wanted to add something in this direction but stopped. Someone might be offended.

Were you joking, by any chance? (I know who Basil F. is but still not sure)
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Lidia K.:
Steven H.:

At this point Basil Fawlty or some other British TV character would say, "That is how Nazi Germany started you know"
Yes, I wanted to add something in this direction but stopped. Someone might be offended.

Were you joking, by any chance? (I know who Basil F. is but still not sure)


Not really joking. It is the sort of comment someone in Britain would make as we aren't too sensitive re. the subject of the Nazis as we didn't directly suffer under the regime, or from the stigma of being a part of it.

Secondly, there are maybe some very basic similarities between the football match and the rise of Nazi Germany. And I do emphasize VERY VERY basic.
i.e. failure (tick), feeling that outside forces are to blame (tick), mass ralleying around a single issue (tick). We just need a figurehead in Poland to lead the movement.

As I'm not a historian please feel free to shoot this theory down in flames.
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