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.... Or just a little island in the Atlantic...?

A friend of mine recently packed in her English teaching job and a couple of days ago flew to Bristol to check out the craic and live there for ... Who knows?

She's the first case I've heard of in a while... Am I right in thinking that going to work in Britain isnt that popular anymore? Have a lot of Poles already returned? Those living in Britain, have you noticed a sudden dearth of Poles in Tescos? Are the Polski Skleps all boarded up or did the Brits get a taste for Hortex?

Is it worth going to Britain anymore?Steve Jones edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.07.08 o godzinie 08:39

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I have a friend who had worked in Poland (Bank). Two years ago he decided to go abroad (England) and try to start new life there. He took his whife and doughter. Recently he called me and told that he is very satisfy living there. He bought a car, rent a house and don't think about going back - at least in 2 years. I think it is still a good time to go to England but in 10 years or less Poles should return - it will be better here (hope so)Marek Kuraś edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.07.08 o godzinie 08:34

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Marek Kuraś:
I have a friend who had worked in Poland (Bank). Two years ago he decided to go abroad (England) and try to start new life there. He took his whife and doughter. Recently he called me and told that he is very satisfy living there. He bought a car, rent a house and don't think about going back - at least in 2 years.

I've heard some similar stories but I think that the appetite for the less demanding jobs has just decreased.

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I've read on some blog or other that Nigeria is a far more attractive destination for Poles than the U.K..

Apparently Nigerians have far greater respect for law and order than the ethnic English.
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warren whitmore:
I've read on some blog or other that Nigeria is a far more attractive destination for Poles than the U.K..

Apparently Nigerians have far greater respect for law and order than the ethnic English.

Interesting! Perhaps you could provide a link to this blog?

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It's not a promised land anymore for the people who decided to come here when the pound was worth 5.5 PLN with the aim to live and work in harsh conditions just to save some money and return to Poland. That's the simple truth. But there are people who got integrated and find Britain attractive due to its other advantages like peaceful lifestyle, better career opportunities, in general, more prospects for the future.
And Polish skleps? They flourish and I must say I have never met any Polish customers in the local one I visit from time to time. But that may be caused by the fact that it's run/owned by English people ;)

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Steve Jones:
warren whitmore:
I've read on some blog or other that Nigeria is a far more attractive destination for Poles than the U.K..

Apparently Nigerians have far greater respect for law and order than the ethnic English.

Interesting! Perhaps you could provide a link to this blog?

http://anglopole.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/british-kids...
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I think if one's a specialist and is going to work in such a field, they'll probably have no problem finding work - sometimes work could even find them. Maybe the middle sector jobs would be at greater risk, where Poles have to compete against the Brits in terms of language and qualifications, but which don't require special expertise. Dunno. Perhaps at some stage there will be a more frequent case of hearing 'don't call us, we'll call you' type of thing.
Then there are menial jobs, which are more available due to constant rotation and which some Poles still do. But I think the era of us doing such jobs has gone - once we've got the taste of an open market and equal treatment, there's no going back.

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warren whitmore:
I've read on some blog or other that Nigeria is a far more attractive destination for Poles than the U.K..

Apparently Nigerians have far greater respect for law and order than the ethnic English.

They had good teachers?

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Spookily this topic is the cover story in the Scotland on Sunday magazine section this morning - "Poles depart - why are so many Polish workers downing tools in Scotland?" - but the magazine content doesnt appear to get put onto the website.

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Seems we've already discussed the subject: http://www.goldenline.pl/forum/anglosphere/333648

My contribution to the thread:

North West running out of Polish workers:
http://liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/reg...

A few interesting fragments:

“There needs to be more focus put on the demand side, trying to create jobs that will ensure migrants, not just semi-skilled but high-skilled workers are attracted to the region.

Experts in Liverpool said the key to attracting new migrants was ensuring they felt able to integrate with the indigenous population.

Ewan Roberts, centre manager at Asylum Link, said: “The problem is the city is not prepared. Libraries and citizens’ advice offices don’t have the infrastructure to deal with people coming from overseas. We would be better to be pro-active.”

A report prepared by the Merseyside Social Inclusion Observatory, based on research conducted in the Kensington area of Liverpool, concluded that the vast majority of migrants – mainly Poles – had taken jobs which otherwise would have been left unfilled.

Dave McCall, from Migrant Workers North West, said: “We have ended up with lots of migrant workers coming to the country with advanced skills but who have ended up doing low-skilled jobs.

“Migrant workers are bringing a lot of economic benefits to the North West, but we aren’t matching up the skills they have with the shortages that exist. We need to make sure they know that the opportunities to progress are here.”

IMO, the truth is, most of immigrants came here only for short periods of time to earn some money and go back so they took first jobs they were offered because it didn't matter that much if it was only for a while - even the educated and skilled workers didn't mind working far below their real skills and abilities.

Also, they did not fell the desire to integrate - what for if they were supposed to leave soon? It seems that the time to return has just 'naturally' come - the educated ones are fed up with their cleaning jobs and the rest have earned enough to return home, buy a house or invest some money into their own companies. Weakening pound only added to this.

And what about the ones who decided to stay? The ones more educated? Many of them have been trapped in the scheme I described above - they took jobs thinking it would be for a while, soon got fed up with them, but at the same time they wouldn't look for better jobs because the situation they had found themselves in made them underestimate their potential. What's more it's hard to start looking for a better job with the history of a cleaner in your CV while English employers look for experience in the UK - they don't pay too much attention to what immigrants did in their native countries - so even if they have suitable qualifications they are not as suitable for the post as someone who has experience in the UK. Vicious circle.

At the same time, it's true that most regions are/were not prepared - they just welcomed the immigrants who took the low-skilled jobs, didn't care if they would integrate or not - they were happy someone took the jobs which would be, otherwise, left unfilled and that's it. They hoped, the immigrants would take care of themselves, learn the language, try to integrate just out of curiosity for British culture. Rubbish of course. Instead, Polish ghettos appeared, problems started - councils are shocked how it is possible that immigrants don't speak English after living in the UK for 4-5 years, but at the same time they have done very little to help them to integrate. Vicious circle again.

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Steve Jones:
Interesting! Perhaps you could provide a link to this blog?

http://anglopole.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/british-kids...

I've been asked to quote the exact words used:

"there is discipline in schools, respect for the adults that is so natural for kids and no such curses of civilized world as teen pregnancy and abortions, bullying, gang crime in schools, drug or alcohol abuse."

Nigeria sounds wonderful.

I can only envy those who live in a country without teen pregnancy and abortions, drug and alcohol abuse and so on.

I'm just surprised that so many Nigerians choose to leave their idyllic native country to go to the crime infested U.K., and that so few Brits have chosen to relocate to Nigeria.warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 15.07.08 o godzinie 00:07

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