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Homophobes are self-loathing repressed homosexuals.

Research by US psychologists suggests that 80% of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings.

This finding lends scientific support to the long standing speculation that those who shout loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.

http://www.petertatchell.net/homophobia/bigots%20are%2...

Any opinions?

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warren whitmore:
This finding lends scientific support to the long standing speculation that those who shout loudest against homosexuality have something to hide.

Brilliant! I've just imagined half of our political scene in their Tinky-Winky-more-than-brotherly hugs and kisses :)

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Would homophobes among Polish politicians be willing to have their reactions to gay porn tested by a plethysmograph, (a penile circumference measuring device)?

I'm sure none of them would wish to be suspected of homosexualist tendencies.

Taking Tatchell's test would surely calm the fears of their supporters.

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Makes sense. Generally the thing which interests people most is in fact themselves, so why get all hot and bothered about something which doesn't directly affect yourself? If being gay bothers homophobes so much then it must be affecting them personally somehow; one of the ways in which it might be affecting them personally is the fact that they're gay themselves and can't deal with it. Being homophobic is therefore an act of repression and self-loathing.

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I agree. It is a corollary to the "Whoever smelt it, dealt it" rule.

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The gay bars in Warsaw are packed to bursting every Saturday night(all 7 of them) and since homosexuality wasn't invented when the Berlin Wall came down it begs certain questions. You can see the same thing in other countries too.

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Jon M.:
The gay bars in Warsaw are packed to bursting every Saturday night(all 7 of them) and since homosexuality wasn't invented when the Berlin Wall came down it begs certain questions. You can see the same thing in other countries too.

Recently I've been posting comments of little size and less intrinsic value, but I'm serious this time. What questions does it beg, Jon? I presume the fact that there are gay bars suggests that there were before the changeover too, but it doesn't actually sound like the open integration and harmony that the Socialist Party poclaimed in its day. Also, is 7 a low number for gay bars? In Dublin, there was one (The George, on George's St., more a nice (Irish) pub where gays could say they were gay). A possible interesting question is what the homosexual community did to socialise before 1989. Is that what you mean? If so, please dismiss this post, and I'll go back to being facetious.

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Magda B.:

Brilliant! I've just imagined half of our political scene in their Tinky-Winky-more-than-brotherly hugs and kisses :)

Someone mentioned this tinky winky thing to me... but as much as Polish politicians would like to take credit for this "discovery" it was actually Fox network that broke this "news".

Another perfect example of this is the head of the Evangelical Christian group being busted with a male prostitute and drugs...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/us/04pastorcnd.html

Last year, a man put in charge (ive been trying to wrack my brain, but can't recall his name) of dept. which takes care of child endangerment issues, was caught ... in chat rooms trying to score with pre teens...

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Keith Byrne:

Jon M.:
The gay bars in Warsaw are packed to bursting every Saturday night(all 7 of them) and since homosexuality wasn't invented when the Berlin Wall came down it begs certain questions. You can see the same thing in other countries too.

Recently I've been posting comments of little size and less intrinsic value, but I'm serious this time. What questions does it beg, Jon? I presume the fact that there are gay bars suggests that there were before the changeover too, but it doesn't actually sound like the open integration and harmony that the Socialist Party poclaimed in its day. Also, is 7 a low number for gay bars? In Dublin, there was one (The George, on George's St., more a nice (Irish) pub where gays could say they were gay). A possible interesting question is what the homosexual community did to socialise before 1989. Is that what you mean? If so, please dismiss this post, and I'll go back to being facetious.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I've noticed real changes in the number of people who identify as gay. This isn't just about what people were doing before for company, more about where the heck they were. A kind of 'Llandewi Brefi' effect. :-)

The real question is, what were people doing a generation ago? Did they lie to themeselves about their sexuality or try to suppress it, thereby making themselves and their wives miserable, or did they just not figure it out.

When I started going out to gay bars in the mid 80s, there were hardly any in the UK provinces. People travelled miles for a night out, and the bars were half empty. Now there are lots and they are bursting at the seams. Where were peoples' elder brothers? People say that in Spain years ago, homosexuals had two choices, the Church or the Army. I think there was a bit of that in Poland, as my experiences with both organisations suggest. Certainly there seem to be a lot more people coming out of the woodwork.

As for the pre-89 Polish gay scene, older friends talk, with not many fond memories, about public lavatories, parks & beaches, smuggled German porn, cruising the railway station and prostitution, both overt and covert. Much more sexualised than now, when people can meet and chat without the pressures of looking for sex. Many more people going out and not looking to pull for the night. Socialising for gays in the PRL happened more in people's homes, though there were a few bars, not gay bars as such, with a discreet gay clientele who all knew each other. the bars in question were those with names beginning wth the letter A, Amatorska, Alhambra, Ambassador etc. People even tell me there was a 'secret handshake' though I suspect this was more talked about than done. Lajkonik, in plac Trzech Krżyży, convenient for both the gents and the rentboys on Żurawia Street had wonderfully camp murals from the 1950s. Its an expensive clothes shop now, and the murals, though protected, have been covered with plasterboard.

Outside Warsaw, there was next to nothing, and there is still a flood of young men and women migrating from wretched small towns to the big cities. From a 'gay community' numbering barely 4 figures, there are now many thousands, and the queues at Toro and Galeria continue to grow. I'm sure that nothing is being put in the water, to make so many of the current young generation go gay or so many middle-aged men suddenly leave their wives, but whatever the reason, the sheer growth in numbers over the past ten years and the thriving commercial gay scene is a real phenomenon.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 11.03.08 o godzinie 17:29