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Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?

Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?

Are men comfortable having a female boss?

Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?

How assertive are Polish women?warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 00:50
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warren whitmore:
Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?
No
Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?

Sure

Are men comfortable having a female boss?

Yes

Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?

No

I'm feeling succinct :-)Dave Andrew edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 00:23
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I thought of one more quesyion, Dave.

This time it can't be replied to with 'Yes/No'.
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Go on :-)
How come you never have to answer any of these questions? :-)
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'Cos it's easier to ask than answer.

It's not compulsory to answer btw.

Only if you want to.
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The questions sound somewhat as if directed at men, but nevermind...
warren whitmore:
Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?

I certainly enjoy dealing with assertive women and men alike. At least you know where you stand with them and know that their yes means yes and no means no. I would like to be more assertive myself. Mind you, I don't think 'assertiveness' has much to do with being 'nice' - I've known both very warm types and really cold and nasty, but couldn't deny their assertiveness.
Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?

Some women can and do and it works well. One of my aunts and both her daughters are the example. I don't think I could or would like to wear the trousers in relationships but would dread being overpowered by the guy. Balance is the key.
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I think the questions can equally well be answered by women.

For example you may have been a female boss.

Or your husband/boyfriend may have left you for a dumb blonde.

I need a few more threads from others btw.
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warren whitmore:
'Cos it's easier to ask than answer.

Oh I know that

It's not compulsory to answer btw.

Only if you want to.

Go on :-)
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warren whitmore:
Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?
Absolutely not

Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?
Well someone has to...

Are men comfortable having a female boss?
Rarely

Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?
Blondes yes, dummies no.

How assertive are Polish women?
Not enough, but we're working at it

What's the feeling here:warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 00:24
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O.K., I'll get crucified for this, but here goes:

Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?

IMHO, Yes.

Of course over-assertiveness is an undesirable trait in both sexes.

Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?

IMHO, No.

A woman should never belittle her man in public.

Of course, men shouldn't do it to women either.

Are men comfortable having a female boss?

Not very.

But it would depend how intelligent, sensitive and competent your boss happens to be.

Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?

Why not?

It would depend on just how dumb your blonde was, however.

How assertive are Polish women?

IMHO, very.

They also happen to be very good at hiding it at the begining of any relationship.
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How assertive are Polish women?

IMHO, very.

They also happen to be very good at hiding it at the begining of any relationship.

Never thought of that! You might be onto something.

Where's my question? :-)
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warren whitmore:
Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no... It depends, there are a lot types of females ;)

Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?
No. Never. It`s a first step to disaster.

Are men comfortable having a female boss?
Sometimes they say it`s ok, but not for a long time, I suppose.

Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?
Thanks God! No! :)

How assertive are Polish women?
They tried to be assertive, but it`s not so easy... Polish men are afraid to assertive women, especially in very private relationships... Ok, maybe not all of them but the most of them ;)Agata W. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 01:17
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One thing to point out:

the difference between assertiveness and aggression

Assertiveness means sticking to your principles and not giving in to a bully.

Aggression means stamping your own will upon someone else either by force of personality or threat of violence.

Taking the definition of assertiveness as the correct one (if anyone cares to disagree, have a go if you think you're hard enough;))))) then surely it's a positive character trait, especially if it's combined with a respect for the greater good, for win/ win outcomes.

Why not enjoy the company of a woman who embodies such a fine character! And why not respect such a man as well?

You see, the problem lies in the fact that we often mistake assertiveness for aggression. The "I'm right you're wrong. Shut up. Fuck off. You're wrong. No. Yes, but. No. No. Yes, but. No, it's not like that. No. Listen to me..." That is NOT assertiveness; it's aggression.

Aggression is wrong; should we respect aggressive women? NO! should we respect aggressive men? NO!

Is it relevant if it's a man or a woman? NO!

Do women like men who are push-overs/ walk-overs/ doormats, men who have no opinions? Do women repect men who don't know what they want? Do I have to answer that for you? You know the answer already.

Women like assertive men who at the same time listen to them and respect their needs.

Any one fancy arguing with me? Eh? eh????
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Steve, I don't know your situation exactly, but how would you feel if your wife was boss of the language school, and you stayed at home and looked after the kids?
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This thread has me in despair - it's like being transported back to what I imagine the 1950s were like.
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Steve Jones:
One thing to point out:

the difference between assertiveness and aggression

Assertiveness means sticking to your principles and not giving in to a bully.

Aggression means stamping your own will upon someone else either by force of personality or threat of violence.

Taking the definition of assertiveness as the correct one (if anyone cares to disagree, have a go if you think you're hard enough;))))) then surely it's a positive character trait, especially if it's combined with a respect for the greater good, for win/ win outcomes.

Why not enjoy the company of a woman who embodies such a fine character! And why not respect such a man as well?

You see, the problem lies in the fact that we often mistake assertiveness for aggression. The "I'm right you're wrong. Shut up. Fuck off. You're wrong. No. Yes, but. No. No. Yes, but. No, it's not like that. No. Listen to me..." That is NOT assertiveness; it's aggression.

Aggression is wrong; should we respect aggressive women? NO! should we respect aggressive men? NO!

Any one fancy arguing with me? Eh? eh????

Yes, you are right, but... ;)

I can see, Polish men are so afraid to agressive women than they are always not sure: is this woman assertive or agressive?
They are not sure, and they are scared. So, in the most of cases they decided: this woman is not only assertive, she is agressive.

But... I`m thinking about men over 30, mayby it isn`t a problem for the men under 20, I don`t know... they are a different generation.Agata W. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 01:57
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Dave Andrew:
This thread has me in despair - it's like being transported back to what I imagine the 1950s were like.

Exactly! :)

But it`s true, that is a problem in Poland now... Probably in GB and USA it was a problem in 50`sAgata W. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.07.08 o godzinie 01:36
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warren whitmore:
Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?
Some assertiveness is desirable. I personally don't find women without the backbone 'attractive' at all.
Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?
Given my asnwer to point 1 a logical answer here should be "yes", but I'm not sure if my male ago would be ok with that.
Are men comfortable having a female boss?
This has been my battlefield for the last... 13years or so. I've had 3 (three) female bosses. Lemme tell you this: as long as you female boss isn't going through the menopause, you're safe. 2 out of the aforementioned 3 happened to enter the menopause just when I became working for them. It was impossible to do any creative work in such conditions! There was a time when I started questioning myself whether it was them or me.
Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?
I'm no real gentleman, but as a member of the male 49% of the world's population I'd say 'no'. Unless they're Italians. Then it will be 'yes' - with three exclamation marks and excessive hand gesturing.
How assertive are Polish women?
Assertive enough I would say. Less assertive then the western women - read answer to point 1.
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The definition of "assertiveness" in Merriam-Webster:
assertiveness
1 : disposed to or characterized by bold or confident assertion
2 : having a strong or distinctive flavor or aroma

I sometimes like strong or distinctive aromas. And there are some aromas that I hate.

assertion
the act of asserting

asserting/assert
1: to state or declare positively and often forcefully or aggressively
2
a: to demonstrate the existence of
b: posit, postulate
— assert oneself : to speak or act in a manner that compels recognition especially of one's rights

There's a certain dose of aggressiveness on being 'assertive'.
Let's leave the sexes behind, noone likes aggressive cocksure people.

Being stubborn and being assertive are two different things, as we all know. When assertive dude/dudette fails to prove his/her case, he/she can be cunningly laughed at. And for the assertive people, it is usually too difficult to bear the failure. You better run, when they fail (if you are in the target in real life and the person is stronger than you in any way).
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Is assertiveness an undesirable trait in females?
Yes
Should women ever 'wear the trousers' in relationships?
Sometimes, when it is needed. Noone is perfect.
Are men comfortable having a female boss?
Probably not.
Do gentlemen prefer dumb blondes?
For sometime, yes.
How assertive are Polish women?
Not much.
I'd say Turkish girls are more assertive.
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