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It's a little strange for me that some Poles claim to like English but not the English.So are you Anglophobe or Anglophile, and if so why?
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So are you Anglophobe or Anglophile, and if so why?
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I'm neither. I like or not like people no matter where they come from - but then I do get to work with so many people from different countries, and enjoy meeting new ones.
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I like English and hence my openly positive( but not uncritical) attitude to the English (no bad experiences so far as far as people go). For me the two go together - you don't like people, you don't like the language they speak and vice versa. But I might be wrong.Wendy Tweed edytował(a) ten post dnia 27.04.08 o godzinie 12:53
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IMHO you can't separate a language from the people and culture which created it.Would it sound odd to you if someone was to claim to like the Polish language, but dislike Poles as people?
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I think the separation comes from one group learning the language from a school, where they don't really have contact with culturesversus people who either learned the English language by living abroad, with native speakers or those who learned by themselves from movies, music and reading books.
It also works on a case to case base I think. A lot of people learn English simply because it is the language of international community so they need it for things like - asking where the toilet is while abroad, purchasing something online etc etc ...
I believe that more and more people will become English speakers, without any cultural awareness.
I know plenty of people who speak English but have an issue with Americans... but than again, I think that's "in" right now.
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Rafal Wolk:
I know plenty of people who speak English but have an issue with Americans...
Maybe that's because they speak ENGLISH not AMERICAN ENGLISH? ;)))
As to separation of language from the people and their culture: I guess it's quite possible that one can fancy a language (e.g. its pronunciation, melody) and still not be a fun of the people and their culture.
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smart ass
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Rafal Wolk:
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thank you pretty mister ;)
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I think with English it's a bit more complicated: it's seen as a lingua franca, something for everyone and not necessarily strictly related to England or Britain or Native Speakers.So, in the case of English I think you could like the language but not the people. Or you could like the British and not the Americans or the Welsh and not the Canadians ... or...
...or ... we could all just hug each other and have a massive love-in! What do you say?
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Personally, I find it really difficult to separate my fondness and interest for the language and the culture and history of Great Britain. The more I got to know British humour, bands, films, books, newspapers, BBC broadcasts or was there myself, the more it helped me to improve my language skills, and vice versa. I agree with Steve though - as English became the "lingua franca" of the modern world it can be easily "extracted" from its British or American background.
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I agree with Steve too:)
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...or ... we could all just hug each other and have a massive love-in! What do you say?
I say: Yeah babe! ;P
But seriously, I'm definitely an Anglophile, which is probably the result of my conscious effort to get integrated with the British while I lived in the UK. After all, I spent six years over there, which is a chunk of life (at some point I thought I's settle down there) and I just wanted to get rid of this annoying feeling of understanding what they say but not quite 'getting' them. I think this can be a source of an inferiority complex that's a trait shown by many immigrants. It wasn't easy, because I was aware I wasn't on my own territory and I also had to fight off some of the uncomfortable stereotypes associated with the Polish in the UK, some of them confirmed by the way we behave, but most of them being just fears borne out of my own imagination. It was certainly a steep learning curve and I was really proud of myself when I managed to understand a stand-up comedy show one day.
On the other hand, though, much as I've tried to get as close to the people in the UK as possible, I have never attempted to become 'more English than the English': It has never been a matter of debate who to support during a Poland-England match, I'd shrug to hear some English calling the Welsh 'sheepshaggers' or looking down on the French for some historical and other reasons (sometimes it was funny when we wound each other up by making comments about English-French shenanigans and Polish-Russian 'brotherhood'. I still have friends who keep saying 'niet' to me just for a laugh and they always manage to get a punch in the arm ;))
Still, when I first came to the UK I was more interested about the Indians, Arabs, Carribeans, Chinese and all the other exotic nations, simply because back at home I'd only been able to see them on TV. It took me a while to develop an interest in the 'old-skool' English people. I suppose things like music (esp. brit-pop) helped here (though it took me four years to start watching the UK TV). It's definitely been a tough love and sometimes I had a feeling that while I loved the country, it didn't love me back, as it has given me a lot of hard time. But today I know it's not true, I miss it a lot and like going back there. I'm glad I have a lot of friends to go back to and most of all that I don't go there to work, just for pleasure ;).
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I love your attitude Sylwia.A lot of Poles who have moved to the U.K. could learn from it.
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Steve Jones:
So, in the case of English I think you could like the language but not the people. Or you could like the British and not the Americans or the Welsh and not the Canadians ... or...
Wouldn't this depend on which version of the language was being learnt?
Would it make sense to learn American English and have an animus towards Americans, or learn British English and despise the Brits?
Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
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warren whitmore:
Steve Jones:
So, in the case of English I think you could like the language but not the people. Or you could like the British and not the Americans or the Welsh and not the Canadians ... or...
Wouldn't this depend on which version of the language was being learnt?
Would it make sense to learn American English and have an animus towards Americans, or learn British English and despise the Brits?
Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
I think it really depends on the reasons why you are learning any given language.
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Rafal Wolk:
warren whitmore:
Would it make sense to learn American English and have an animus towards Americans, or learn British English and despise the Brits?
Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
I think it really depends on the reasons why you are learning any given language.
And the depth to which you wanted to learn the language.
I'd say that to get to the 'soul' of the target language, an understanding of the culture from which it derives is a must.
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Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
You could like the Poles (or at least be curious) whilst learning the language, but then begin to dislike them.
In my case I'd had enough of the French after spending 4 years there. In fact it was partly a clash of mentalities and partly the fact that I'd had enough of living in a massive city with its various disadvantages.
So, in my case the word France stirs a certain amount of bad feeling in me, but I still like French as a language and regret the fact I rarely use it.
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warren whitmore:
Rafal Wolk:
warren whitmore:
Would it make sense to learn American English and have an animus towards Americans, or learn British English and despise the Brits?
Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
I think it really depends on the reasons why you are learning any given language.
And the depth to which you wanted to learn the language.
I'd say that to get to the 'soul' of the target language, an understanding of the culture from which it derives is a must.
Agreed, the one "problem" with the English language is the fact that it's become the one language that is used for communication world wide and it's not really related to the culture that it derives from but more to the field of interest that any given person is interested in. So instead of studying the culture, people study it with their own personal interests in mind.
In places like the US you often encounter people who don't know and don't care much about the British or American culture. After a while it's easier to pick up some elements of culture if you are residing in any of the English speaking countries, but if you are not, this becomes the teacher's job. I think it takes a great teacher to get someone to be interested in the culture and not just the language, yet it's not really necessary for them to pick it up, if the only reason they have to learn English is for business.Rafal Wolk edytował(a) ten post dnia 20.04.08 o godzinie 22:10
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warren whitmore:
I love your attitude Sylwia.
A lot of Poles who have moved to the U.K. could learn from it.
Thank you ;) But I learnt it from you, the Brits!
And I forgot to mention love, which played a big part in developing my attitude towards the English. I think mixed-nationality relationships provide the best opportunity to become really open to, if not fascinated with the culture of your partner. Before I met my (then) boyfriends I'd have said along with everyone else that British cuisine was shit and now I had to admit shepherds pie was actually quite nice, let alone scones and cream (I'd still maintain white tea is undrinkable! ;P) And the language I learnt from them and their mates was quite different from what I was taught at school or even university.
And I’m glad, cause I find British knack for irony and slapstick humour very effective in combating my depressive nature ;)) There’s nothing like watching that smirk on the face of Julian Rhind-Tutt when you’re down, or watching John Cleese or Richard Hammond – they really make you see things back in proportion :))
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warren whitmore:
Rafal Wolk:
warren whitmore:
Would it make sense to learn American English and have an animus towards Americans, or learn British English and despise the Brits?
Would anyone suffering from Polonophobia be successful at learning Polish?
I think it really depends on the reasons why you are learning any given language.
And the depth to which you wanted to learn the language.
I'd say that to get to the 'soul' of the target language, an understanding of the culture from which it derives is a must.
I agree, if only because it strengthens your motivation. And also, it really pays to at least visit one of the target language countries, because without it even the best teachers find it difficult to get the students interested in the culture.
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