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Tadeusz Fojt:

No widzisz. A dla ścisłości - nigdy nim nie był.

Legalny nigdy nie był. Mówiłeś sąsiadowi?

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Piotr Sadowski:

Tadeusz Fojt:
No widzisz. A dla ścisłości - nigdy nim nie był.

Legalny nigdy nie był. Mówiłeś sąsiadowi?

Tak, od samego początku.

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Piotr Sadowski:

Maciej Maciejewski:

Piotr Sadowski:
Chociaż tyle dotarło do ciebie, że z innymi kwestiami nie polemizujesz. Zakładam jednak że to tylko zwyczajne omijanie istoty kolejnej wypowiedzi, twój stary wypróbowany trick widoczny z kilometra:-)

Oczywiście, że rozwinę jak chcesz koniecznie: jak ostatni cham i prostak obrażasz tu kobiety które po prostu chcą odpowiedzi na swoje pytania innej niż "jest super jest super więc o co ci chodzi" na zadawane pytania.
Coś jeszcze rozwinąć?

Tylko na tyle Cię stać? Rozwiń bardziej bo to przecież w temacie MLM = oszustwo.

Do tego cały czas zmierzam, Maciejewski. Propagatorzy różnych scamów podszywającących sie po MLM a także zwykłe hieny wykorzystujące ten kanał sprzedaży do maksymalizacji zysków kosztem innych zakładają w sieci multum blogów "eksperckich" pt np. bannersbrokerscam albo lyoness-piramida, zadają na forach pytania i sami udzielają na nie odpowiedzi chwalących pod niebiosa MLM do którego aktualnie werbują itd. Z reguły daje się to zdemaskować po wymianie 3 zdań z nimi.

Tak też jest i z tobą i Network Magazynem, redaktorze naczelny. Poczytałem twoje pisemko i posty tylko tutaj i ocena jest dla ciebie, twojego pisma i całego środowiska z którym jesteś związany miażdżąca.

Na konkretne pytania udzielasz w najlepszym wypadku wymijających odpowiedzi lub wszczynasz burdy szukając tam gdzie możesz punktu zaczepienia aby zaatakować rozmówcę ad personam, a gdy to niemożliwe (w twoim akurat przypadku zawsze ;) starasz sie dezawuować go oskarżeniami o anonimowy trolling, pisanie z wielu kont itd. Gdy to nie pomaga wybierasz sobie rozmówców których ci wygodnie i tonem mentora ciaginesz tą swoją nieskładną gadkę o rzeczach o których próbujesz sprawić wrażenie że się znasz.

Nawet najgłupszy z anonimowych trolli (ja;) jest ci w stanie wytknąć hipokryzję ( niewiarygodne twoim zdaniem i anonimowe żródło http://antylyoness.blox.pl linkujesz jako artykuł na swojej stronie choć potrzebujesz wyroków w sprawie Lyonessa u którego jesteś gościem na imprezkach aby napisać coś od siebie, a inne firmy na twojej czarnej liście takich prawomocnych wyroków jeszcze nie mają. Na grilla cię nie zapraszają czy jak?) Plączesz się w zeznaniach i idziesz w zaparte w obliczu nawet oczywistych prawd. O argumentacji typu: "zły zus. złe banki zła praca na etacie, wszędzie jesteś dymany więc weź sprawy w swoje ręce i dymaj z nami" przypominać tu chyba nikomu nie trzeba:D

Adam G. ma 100% racji - zajmij się pisaniem nekrologów, wtedy przynajmniej wszystko będzie jasne.
Skoro takie indywidua kreują to środowisko tymi metodami to MLM=oszustwo.

Pytania?

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Tadeusz Fojt:

Tak, od samego początku.

Chcesz o tym pogadać?

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Piotr Sadowski:

Tadeusz Fojt:

Tak, od samego początku.

Chcesz o tym pogadać?

A tego ten tu temat dotyczy?

Zadawaj pytania na temat MLM - wtedy tu pogadamy.

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Tadeusz Fojt:

A tego ten tu temat dotyczy?

Zadawaj pytania na temat MLM - wtedy tu pogadamy.

O czym?

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Np to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie

An analysis conducted by contract laboratory Chromadex indicated that MonaVie contained low levels of antioxidant vitamin C and of phytochemicals such as anthocyanins and phenolics associated with antioxidant activity in test tubes.[4]

Despite promotion by MonaVie of the juice having key polyphenol antioxidants from açai and other fruits in the blend,[25] there remains no physiological evidence that any fruit polyphenols have such actions in humans or that oxygen radical absorbance capacity (ORAC) has any relevance in the human body

A clinical case report showed an association between MonaVie ingestion throughout pregnancy and prenatal closure of the ductus arteriosus resulting in cardiac hypertrophy and dysfunction (pulmonary hypertension) at birth.[32] Monavie Active may cause fluctuations in blood clotting (prothrombin time) in patients treated with warfarin or other coumadin blood thinners; avoidance of this combination has therefore been recommended

Distributor earnings

Around 14% of distributors make a profit, according to MonaVie Executive VP Henry Marsh quoted from a 2009 article published in Deseret News.[14]

According to an article published in Newsweek, reporting on MonaVie's 2007 income disclosure statement, "fewer than 1% qualified for commissions and of those, only 10% made more than $100 a week." More than 90% were counted as wholesale customers, whose earnings Newsweek reported were mostly discounts on sales to themselves. According to a top recruiter, the dropout rate in 2008 was around 70%.[9] An article published in the Hartford Courant reported that about 45% of the company's distributors earned an annualized average check of less than $1,600, and 37% took home about $2,000; approximately 2% earned an annualized average check of more than $29,000, and just 7 out of 80,000 distributors (<0.01%) took home more than $3 million, according to the MonaVie 2008 income disclosure statement.[13][34] According to a 2011 article published by the Salt Lake City Tribune, 85% of Monavie's distributors earned commission checks in 2009 averaging $35 a week or less, while the company's top 7 distributors earned an average of $3.4 million a year.[35]

According to the 2009 Income Disclosure Statement[36] approximately 87% of the people that signed a distributor agreement between July 2008 and June 2009 were not counted as distributors as they didn't satisfy the 4 criteria (sign agreement, sponsor at least one person, receive at least one non-retail bonus, and has been active in the bonus period). Of the remaining 13% that were recognized as distributors for further calculations, 50% earned an average annual paycheck of $1213. And 35% earned an average paycheck of $1817. Less than 2% of the 13% (or less than a quarter of a percent) of the people who signed the distributor agreement earned an average annual paycheck of $29,310 or more.

Criticism
Nutritional value

Physician Andrew Weil and nutritionist Jonny Bowden claim that the nutritional and health benefits of MonaVie juice are not proven and that the product is exorbitantly priced relative to more cost-effective conventional polyphenol-rich foods. Weil and Bowden also criticized the product for being sold through multi-level marketing.[2][3] According to Men’s Journal, a nutritional analysis showed that MonaVie Active juice "tested extremely low in anthocyanins and phenolics" and that "even apple juice (which also tested poorly) has more phenolics" The report also noted that "MonaVie’s vitamin C level was 5 times lower than that of Welch’s Grape Juice", a product priced at a fraction of the cost of MonaVie for the same serving volume.[4] Ralph Carson, the original developer of Monavie and the company’s chief science officer cautioned that the juice was "expensive flavored water and that “any claims made are purely hypothetical, unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, bogus,". Carson added "if you were to ask me how much acai is in the product, I do not know." [7]
Misleading advertising and health claims

Bowden,[3] Newsweek correspondent Tony Dokoupil,[9] and Palm Beach Post reporter Carolyn Susman[5] commented on the use of misleading promotional testimonials by MonaVie distributors in which the product was said to prevent and treat a variety of medical conditions. Dokoupil noted that “the FDA warned MonaVie about medicinal claims on its Web site” in reference to the Food and Drug Administration's action against MonaVie distributor Kevin Vokes in July 2007. According to an FDA Warning Letter, Vokes had promoted MonaVie as a drug in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by claiming that it was effective for treating inflammation, high cholesterol, and muscle and joint pain.[6] The FDA was ultimately satisfied with the company's response[9] after the claims on the offending website had been greatly dialed down.[5] In a 2008 article in Forbes magazine, reporters Emily Lambert and Klaus Kneale described MonaVie as a pyramid scheme and noted that a MonaVie video testimonial by distributor Louis "Lou" B. Niles implied that the product could cure cancer.[11]

Company executives have repeatedly acknowledged ongoing problems with MonaVie distributors making unlawful claims that the juice can treat and prevent diseases. A Newsweek article published August 2, 2008, noted that CEO Dallin Larsen "realizes that his sales team can get him in hot water with the Feds", and in reference to the company's ability to investigate distributors suspected of making false claims, Larsen commented that "it’s next to impossible; like herding cats."[9] A November 4, 2008 statement from the company noted: "many distributors, perhaps unwittingly, have engaged in methods of advertising that are in violation of MonaVie’s policies. Such actions put our business and yours at an unnecessary risk."[37] In a May 14, 2009 Bloomberg News article, MonaVie executive vice-president and cofounder Randy Larsen was quoted saying that "the company is struggling with independent distributors who promote the juice as a miracle drug."[38]

In December 2011, Salt Lake City Tribune correspondent Tom Harvey commented that the history of the rise of MonaVie "reveals a spotted record of exaggerated claims of relief from serious illnesses and questionable claims of nutritional values, as well as odds clearly stacked against low-level distributors who poured in the billions of dollars that fueled the company's spectacular growth. MonaVie's story also raises questions about the foundations on which other companies in that thriving segment of Utah's multibillion-dollar nutritional supplement industry were built."[7]
Dallin Larsen and Dynamic Essentials/Royal Tongan Limu

MonaVie CEO and founder Dallin Larsen was previously a senior executive with an MLM company that sold a similar juice product prior to being shut down by the FDA for illegal business practices.[7][9] In 2001, Larsen became vice president of sales for Dynamic Essentials in Lake Mary, Florida, which sold a fruit juice called Royal Tongan Limu,[8][9] where he claimed to have increased revenue 300 percent. But in 2002, during Larsen’s tenure, the FDA issued a letter to Dynamic Essentials warning that claims on the company’s website that the juice could "treat various diseases such as cancer, arthritis, and attention deficit disorder" were in violation of federal law.[10] Dynamic Essentials sometime after that ceased operation. In October 2003, the FDA said it witnessed the voluntary destruction of 90,000 bottles of Royal Tongan Limu.[7]
Pyramid scheme allegations

In spring of 2008, Larsen formed a business partnership with former Amway distributor (Quixtar in the US) Orrin Woodward, founder of an Amway distributor sales network company known as TEAM. Woodward subsequently became a distributor and speaker for MonaVie, mixing his TEAM organization structure and distributor sales tools (e.g. sales brochures, audio/video recordings, etc.) concept with MonaVie's compensation plan. In 2008, Forbes magazine reporters Emily Lambert and Klaus Kneale noted:

“TEAM is one step ahead of all these juice selling schemes. It is a pyramid atop a pyramid. It is selling motivational aids to help MonaVie vendors move the juice. But wait. If you can't earn back the $258 you've spent on the motivational lectures by selling $39 juice bottles, you could earn it back in another way—getting people to buy $258 motivational lectures. If you're good, you flog the lectures to other people, who sell them to yet others. Everybody gets rich. Everybody, that is, except the last round of buyers. That's the theory, anyway. The reality is that a mere 1% of Team members make any money from involvement with the firm.”[11]

Regarding pyramid scheme issues, Lambert and Kneale elaborated:

”In a 1979 regulatory action involving [Amway], the Federal Trade Commission attempted to draw lines between legitimate and fraudulent pyramids. The ones that are legit focus on getting revenue from consumer goods sold to retail customers. The FTC did not, however, define ‘retail’ in that case. That leaves plenty of wiggle room for guys like Orrin Woodward; he counts the vast majority of people in his pyramid, who seemingly try but fail to make money, as retail customers.”[11]

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Łukasz Bartodziejski:
Np to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie

WIKIPEDIA?! ARTYKUŁ Z PODANIEM ŹRÓDEŁ?!
Pomyliłeś forum, Wookie! :D

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Piotr Sadowski:

Tadeusz Fojt:
A tego ten tu temat dotyczy?

Zadawaj pytania na temat MLM - wtedy tu pogadamy.

O czym?

No widzisz - pier,,,lić głupoty to ty potrafisz, a konkretnego pytania nie umiesz sklecić. Tak wygląda cała rozmowa z tobą.

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Tadeusz Fojt:
No widzisz - pier,,,lić głupoty to ty potrafisz, a konkretnego pytania nie umiesz sklecić. Tak wygląda cała rozmowa z tobą.

Rozmowa?Piotr Sadowski edytował(a) ten post dnia 11.11.12 o godzinie 22:12

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Piotr Sadowski:

Tadeusz Fojt:

Piotr Sadowski:

Tadeusz Fojt:
A tego ten tu temat dotyczy?

Zadawaj pytania na temat MLM - wtedy tu pogadamy.

O czym?

No widzisz - pier,,,lić głupoty to ty potrafisz, a konkretnego pytania nie umiesz sklecić. Tak wygląda cała rozmowa z tobą.

Rozmowa?

Co - masz za dużo w czubie?

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Tadeusz Fojt:

Co - masz za dużo w czubie?

W czubie?Piotr Sadowski edytował(a) ten post dnia 11.11.12 o godzinie 22:12

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zgłaszacie Tadzika?

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Piotr Sadowski:
zgłaszacie Tadzika?

Tak

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Łukasz Bartodziejski:
Np to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie

An analysis conducted by contract laboratory Chromadex indicated that MonaVie contained low levels of antioxidant vitamin C and of phytochemicals such as anthocyanins and phenolics associated with antioxidant activity in test tubes.[4]

Despite promotion by MonaVie of the juice having key polyphenol antioxidants from açai and other fruits in the blend,[25] there remains no physiological evidence that any fruit polyphenols have such actions in humans or that oxygen radical absorbance capacity (ORAC) has any relevance in the human body

A clinical case report showed an association between MonaVie ingestion throughout pregnancy and prenatal closure of the ductus arteriosus resulting in cardiac hypertrophy and dysfunction (pulmonary hypertension) at birth.[32] Monavie Active may cause fluctuations in blood clotting (prothrombin time) in patients treated with warfarin or other coumadin blood thinners; avoidance of this combination has therefore been recommended

No ok. Rozumiem. Tak tez może być, ale z drugiej strony:

Segala benda hidup terdiri daripada Yin Yang dan lima unsur secara semula jadi. Kita akan mengalami pertumbuhan dan perkembangan yang baik sekiranya keseimbangan lima unsur tercapai. Dalam perubatan tradisional Cina, organ-organ dalam badan dikategorikan kepada lima unsur iaitu Logam, Kayu, Air, Api dan Tanah. Organ Hati (Hempedu) berunsur Kayu, Jantung(Usus kecil) berunsur Api, Limpa(Perut) berunsur Tanah, Paru-paru(Usus besar) berunsur Logam, Ginjal(Pundi Kencing) berunsur Air. Apabila keseimbangan lima unsur dalam tubuh badan tercapai, setiap organ akan berfungsi menjana satu sama lain dan mencipta satu putaran yang optima. Dengan itu, badan kita akan menjadi lebih sihat dan cergas.

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Maciej Maciejewski:

No ok. Rozumiem. Tak tez może być, ale z drugiej strony:

Segala benda hidup terdiri daripada Yin Yang dan lima unsur secara semula jadi. Kita akan mengalami pertumbuhan dan perkembangan yang baik sekiranya keseimbangan lima unsur tercapai. Dalam perubatan tradisional Cina, organ-organ dalam badan dikategorikan kepada lima unsur iaitu Logam, Kayu, Air, Api dan Tanah. Organ Hati (Hempedu) berunsur Kayu, Jantung(Usus kecil) berunsur Api, Limpa(Perut) berunsur Tanah, Paru-paru(Usus besar) berunsur Logam, Ginjal(Pundi Kencing) berunsur Air. Apabila keseimbangan lima unsur dalam tubuh badan tercapai, setiap organ akan berfungsi menjana satu sama lain dan mencipta satu putaran yang optima. Dengan itu, badan kita akan menjadi lebih sihat dan cergas.

Tak jest zawsze z "drugiej strony" :D
PS: google tłumacz, język malajski:

rzeczy egala życia składa się z Yin-Yang i pięciu elementów natury. Musimy dobrego wzrostu i rozwoju, gdy saldo pięciu elementów uzyskuje. W tradycyjnej medycynie chińskiej, organy ciała podzielono na pięć metalowych elementów, drewna, wody, ognia i ziemi. Narząd wątroby (pęcherzyk żółciowy) charakteryzuje Wood, serca (jelito cienkie) charakteryzuje Flame, Spleen (żołądka) charakteryzuje Lung Land (jelito grube) charakteryzuje Metal, nerek (pęcherza) Water Elemental. Gdy waga pięciu elementów w organizmie osiąga każdy generuje narządu funkcjonować siebie i utworzyć optymalną rotację. W tym sensie, staniemy się bardziej zdrowe i sprawne.Piotr Sadowski edytował(a) ten post dnia 11.11.12 o godzinie 22:20

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Maciej Maciejewski:

Łukasz Bartodziejski:
Np to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie

An analysis conducted by contract laboratory Chromadex indicated that MonaVie contained low levels of antioxidant vitamin C and of phytochemicals such as anthocyanins and phenolics associated with antioxidant activity in test tubes.[4]

Despite promotion by MonaVie of the juice having key polyphenol antioxidants from açai and other fruits in the blend,[25] there remains no physiological evidence that any fruit polyphenols have such actions in humans or that oxygen radical absorbance capacity (ORAC) has any relevance in the human body

A clinical case report showed an association between MonaVie ingestion throughout pregnancy and prenatal closure of the ductus arteriosus resulting in cardiac hypertrophy and dysfunction (pulmonary hypertension) at birth.[32] Monavie Active may cause fluctuations in blood clotting (prothrombin time) in patients treated with warfarin or other coumadin blood thinners; avoidance of this combination has therefore been recommended

No ok. Rozumiem. Tak tez może być, ale z drugiej strony:

Segala benda hidup terdiri daripada Yin Yang dan lima unsur secara semula jadi. Kita akan mengalami pertumbuhan dan perkembangan yang baik sekiranya keseimbangan lima unsur tercapai. Dalam perubatan tradisional Cina, organ-organ dalam badan dikategorikan kepada lima unsur iaitu Logam, Kayu, Air, Api dan Tanah. Organ Hati (Hempedu) berunsur Kayu, Jantung(Usus kecil) berunsur Api, Limpa(Perut) berunsur Tanah, Paru-paru(Usus besar) berunsur Logam, Ginjal(Pundi Kencing) berunsur Air. Apabila keseimbangan lima unsur dalam tubuh badan tercapai, setiap organ akan berfungsi menjana satu sama lain dan mencipta satu putaran yang optima. Dengan itu, badan kita akan menjadi lebih sihat dan cergas.

Rzetelna odpowiedz , godna naczelnego redaktora branzowego czasopisma.
Dziekuję!

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Piotr Sadowski:

Tak jest zawsze z "drugiej strony" :D

Z drugiej strony?

W lustro patrzysz?

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Tadeusz Fojt:

Piotr Sadowski:

Tak jest zawsze z "drugiej strony" :D

Z drugiej strony?

W lustro patrzysz?

Tak, a ty?

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Tadeusz Fojt:

Z drugiej strony?

W lustro patrzysz?

Maciejewski, a ty?